Posted by Dave on Thursday Jan 24, 11:17
MP for Manchester Withington, Liberal Democrat John Leech, said he did have some worries about the event.
"I do have concerns that a small minority of idiots will choose to ruin the minute's silence and I do think there is a case for having a minute's applause rather than a minute's silence to ensure that doesn't happen.
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Dave
Thursday Jan 24, 16:52
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/7204970.stm
Forgot to add the link
viv
Thursday Jan 24, 17:49
The full quote from John's speech about foreign players is:
"I thank the Minister for that intervention. I am very happy to put on the record my support for a perfect minute's silence at the ground. I have concerns that a small minority of idiots will choose to ruin the minute's silence and there is a case for having a minute's applause, rather than a minute's silence, to ensure that that does not happen, but unfortunately every football club has a few idiots who are prepared to ruin things for the vast majority of people. I implore all City fans to ensure that the minute's silence is observed perfectly."
Alan
Thursday Jan 24, 18:52
Good to see he's tackling the important issues of the day!!
Dave
Thursday Jan 24, 20:29
I wonder if he was one of the backbenchers who wanted the full pay rise suggested, or did he tow the party line and go for the 1.9%?
Yasmin Zalzala
Thursday Jan 24, 20:55
He is being given extraordinary media attention these days
This must be deliberate to say the party is sticking by him and have overlooked what he has done to get elected.
I wonder about the other backbench Lib Dem MP's who did not cheat and lie their way to the top.
They must be unhappy about the way the Withington Man is being promoted over their heads
mike
Friday Jan 25, 01:50
Well done to Leech for his road-safety award:
http://www.brake.org.uk/index.php?p=925
Yasmin Zalzala
Friday Jan 25, 20:49
Could someone please explain to me this:
No MP, of any political party, has thought of proposing a bill for 20 per mile speed limit on residential roads until this?
peter h
Saturday Jan 26, 00:28
mps are frightened of motorist lobbies. simple as that. loudmouthed fascists who equate speed with showing their manhood.
Alan
Sunday Jan 27, 12:00
I agree with 20mph restrictions on residential roads. What I don't agree with is the fact that it is always the motorist who is deemed responsible should someone get run down. Perhaps, in addition to lowering the speed limit to 20mph we actively teach our children how to cross the road properly!
On that note, can anyone explain to me why we employ "lollipop" men and women to stand by crossings where people can press a button, wait for the green man and then cross. If we are going to employ these people (I pass 5 on my way to my nearest office which is 3 miles from my home)then why are they standing at lights?? Seems pointless to me!! Maybe instead of wasting it on 5 people, they could use the money to educate children about the dangers of the road!
Labour Supporter
Monday Jan 28, 01:30
Did I mention that No Jobs Leech lied about the "closing" of The Christie Hospital. Just before you get distracted by his motherhood and apple pie smokescreens.
Alan
Monday Jan 28, 07:54
Did I mention that Gordon Brown is the most useless Prime Minister this country has seen for a while, matched only by his even more useless Chancellor and Cabinet. Furthermore, did I mention that I'm sick to the back teeth of getting squeezed for more and more money by a government, under Brown, who persists in micro managing the population and treating us like idiots! Lastly, did I mention that thats a bit more important than a nearly 3 year old story that's been debated to death and will have little impact on voter decision at the next election.
Dave
Monday Jan 28, 08:49
http://www.labour-watch.com/
Did I mention that Blair to us to War based on lies about the threat from Saddam Hussein, and how he was linked to Bin Laden? Did I mention that we are moving closer and closer to a police state with detention without charge for suspected terrorist in the UK now longer than any other Western Government (excluding Guantanamo Bay) and a proposed plan to introduce a national ID Card that will cost billions of tax payers money, and will prove to be ineffective? Etc, Etc
Labour Supporter
Monday Jan 28, 09:48
Yes you did! Ad nauseum
Yasmin Zalzala
Monday Jan 28, 16:03
Could somebody please answer my question?
Could someone please explain to me this:
No MP, of any political party, has thought of proposing a bill for 20 per mile speed limit on residential roads until this?
Martin
Monday Jan 28, 21:31
Thats because, Yasmin, thats not the point. He's done something about it.
Yasmin Zalzala
Monday Jan 28, 22:53
Martin
You mean to tell me of the 600+ MP's who must have known about this, no other MP, Labour Tory or otherwise has thought of proposing this law until two wage leech did so?
Yasmin Zalzala
Monday Jan 28, 23:08
The text below would suggest he was parliamentarian of the month and he has won in Dec 2006 as well for asking questions about roard safety et
PARLIAMENTARIAN OF THE MONTH AWARDS 2007
DECEMBER 2007 - John Leech, MP for Manchester, Withington
NOVEMBER 2007 - Russell Brown, MP for Dumfries and Galloway
OCTOBER 2007 - John Smith, MP for Vale of Glamorgan
AUGUST/SEPT 2007 - Helen Goodman, MP for Bishop Auckland
JULY/AUGUST 2007 - David Burrowes, MP for Enfield Southgate
JUNE 2007 - Alistair Carmichael, MP for Orkney and Shetland
MAY 2007 – Mark Tami, MP for Alyn and Deeside
APRIL 2007 – Bob Russell, MP for Colchester
MARCH 2007 – Eric Martlew, MP for Carlisle
FEBRUARY 2007 - David Kidney, MP for Stafford
PARLIAMENTARIAN OF THE MONTH AWARDS 2006
DECEMBER 2006 – John Leech, MP for Manchester Withington
NOVEMBER 2006 – Iain Wright, MP for Hartlepool
Alan
Tuesday Jan 29, 09:16
Yasmin, I fail to see your point??
JJ
Tuesday Jan 29, 12:38
What Yasmin is trying to tell us what a fine MP John Leech must be. After all, winning Parliamentarian of the Month in twice in 13 months is very good going. I'm sure that we're all delighted that Yasmin has put aside past ill-feeling to generously draw this to our attention.
peter h
Tuesday Jan 29, 22:10
what on earth is parliamentarian of the month and who decided it?
Yasmin Zalzala
Tuesday Jan 29, 22:53
I am trying to draw to everyone's attention that it is 'parliamentary of the month' rather than year and that this pressure group chooses a different mp every month for this title.
It was made out to be som spectacular achievement in the MEN. But then they covered the Christie Hospital is to Close story in details as well
Labour Supporter
Wednesday Jan 30, 00:34
It's a Mickey Mouse award for a Mickey Mouse MP
Yasmin Zalzala
Thursday Jan 31, 10:23
Labour Supporter,
Brake is a charity that campaigns and seems to be doing good work for road and pedestrian safety and reducing traffic fatalities etc. This is a worthwhile cause that I have no difficulty supporting.
They seem to have hit upon a good idea of giving a nomination of MP of the month to MP's who take time to ask questions etc for this cause.
The Two Wage Leech seems to have blown this out of proportion and made it into something of a national recognition as parliamentarian of the year.
The article in the MEN if memory serves right even claimed he had introduced a 20m/h law on residential road.
Yet all he seems to have done is make a proposal of a law and that is as far as it has gone
Dave
Thursday Jan 31, 17:32
"If memory serves right" Why don't you look on the Mancester Evening News website, just to check!
Dave
Thursday Jan 31, 17:35
Strange, when I typed in to the M.E.N search engine "john leech" and "20mph" came up with two articles
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/1033451_mps_speed_campaign_award
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/223/223076_mp_bids_to_bring_streets_back_to_life.html
Neither of which state John making claims that he has introduced such a law.
May be your memory is failing you there Yasmin.
Alan
Friday Feb 01, 08:03
Memory and ability to hold a rational conversation!
Tim Kinsella
Friday Feb 01, 16:00
http://www.brake.org.uk/index.php?p=925
Yasmin:
He won Brake Parliamentarian of the Year (see above) as well as Brake Parliamentarian of the Month (twice).
He introduce a Ten-Minute Rule Bill and it was talked out by the government. I'm rather glad that you were never elected as you seem not to have much clue what goes on in Parliament nor how to find out about it.
Yasmin Zalzala
Friday Feb 01, 20:48
Colleagues
All what you said does not contradict what I have said. Thank you for your abuse. Much appreciated.
Yasmin Zalzala
Friday Feb 01, 21:05
Oh, I forgot to mention, coming up on my ethnic cleansing a la the liberal democrats thread:
What Lord Chris Renard, the real leader of the Liberal Democrats, said about my case in the Liberal Democrats Response to my RA 65 Questionnaire!
Alan
Monday Feb 04, 08:49
Please, can anyone shut this mad, raving woman up!! I've never heard such a load of crap!! If you'd been 'ethnically cleansed' then you'd be dead!! Gat a grip for god's sake!!!
Yasmin Zalzalla
Monday Feb 04, 12:27
Alan
Thanks for your comments
You do not have to read what I write if you do not like it.
John Holliker
Monday Feb 04, 22:07
...and with that, the slightly worrying one retreated to behind the fridge..
Alan
Tuesday Feb 05, 17:10
I don't mind sensible arguments and difference of opinion but for God's sake, Google 'ethnic cleansing' and then tell me that that is what has happened to you. Get a grip!
Yasmin Zalzala
Wednesday Feb 06, 00:34
You should direct your abuse to the one who lied to get elected and by all accounts got rewarded for it at the taxpayers expense.
Abusing me is not going to have any effect. But if it makes you lot feel better and helps take your mind off what your hero is saying and doing to embarrass you, then feel free
Dave
Wednesday Feb 06, 08:52
Yasmin, that is so funny - calling john leech, Alan's hero! Have you missed all that he has said for the last couple of years?
John Holliker
Wednesday Feb 06, 12:54
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/1035272_35m_expansion_for_christie?rss=yes
Great news - John's campaign to save the Christie Hospital single-handedly results in this. My hero!
Dave
Wednesday Feb 06, 13:06
Leech is such a superhero
Yasmin Zalzala
Wednesday Feb 06, 20:04
Dave from Cumbria
What a hero you have
Just keep fooling yourself!
Dave
Wednesday Feb 06, 21:42
Yasmin from where ever
My tongue was firmly in my cheek when I said Leech was a superhero
peter h
Wednesday Feb 06, 23:17
"You do not have to read what I write if you do not like it."
now could anyone point out to yasmin the ever so slight lack of logic in her argument?
I love Yasmin. She unites everyone into breathing a sigh of relief that John got elected - instead of her.
And Labour must love her too because she manages to divert everyone away from the mess that theyre in at the moment.
And Lib Dems must love her too for diverting attention away from the mess that theyre in!
Unfortunately the only conservative contributor here is Alan who appears to be the butt of all her postings, and Yasmin seems somewhat confused about alan's allegiance - quite a fest considering the guy wears his political heart on his sleeve more openly and honestly than anybody else here.
she's quite possibly the world's first darwinian creationist
peter h
Wednesday Feb 06, 23:19
i meant "quite a feat" not "fest". sorry all
Yasmin Zalzala
Thursday Feb 07, 23:14
Hi Peter H
Thank you so much for your in depth intellect.
Alan
Friday Feb 08, 08:11
ha ha, if you could all see the exasperated look on my face as I write this. I mean please, is it me?? Am I going nuts, is Yasmin making any kind of sense??!!??
Am I right in suggesting that ethnic cleansing in in fact the anihilation of a race/ ethnic group similar to the holocaust, Rwanda, former Yugoslavia as opposed to a party getting shot of a clearly unintelligent waste of space!!??
Have I been openly supproting 'my hero' Leech for the past 11 years or have supported Tony Blair through thick and thin!!??
Lastly, is Yasmin actually a real person or is this you posting Peter in an undercover attempt to wind me up!!?
John Holliker
Friday Feb 08, 08:40
I just want to know if Yasmin is going to stand against Leech in Withington next time out - we should have a sweepstake on whether she tops her 153 votes from last time out.
Dave
Friday Feb 08, 11:31
Didn't one of my old lecturers do better than Yasmin? Bobby G, was standing for UKIP didn't he? Did anyone score lower than Yasmin?
Dave
Friday Feb 08, 11:32
(just to add, Bobby G was/is a great lecturer, but his politics suck)
peter h
Friday Feb 08, 13:31
Alan, I don't know if yasmin is a real person or not. It certainly isnt me in disguise, although I suspect that rather a lot of that goes on on this site - lot of agents provocateurs around, making such absurd statements "in favour of" their supposed causes that they must be trying to undermine them.
Maybe none of us exist. Maybe this site is all a fantasy in John Leech's mind and we are all figments of his imagination, although it would take an imagination which combined Leonardo da Vinci Salvador Dali and Richard Dadd to produce Yasmin.
Yasmin Zalzala
Friday Feb 08, 13:52
Oh! I must have really struck a nerve and go under your skin
How rediculous you all sound!
Dave
Friday Feb 08, 19:59
I've often thought we are in the sequel to Being John Malcovic
peter h
Friday Feb 08, 22:36
what, Being John Leech or Being Yasmin Zalzala? The mind boggles either way.
John Malcovic would make a brilliant Government Minister. Imagine facing him at the despatch box. In fact he'd make a brilliant government if they replicated him 325 times...
And Yasmin, there is a major difference between striking a nerve and getting on ones nerves, but it appears to escape you.
Yasmin Zalzala
Saturday Feb 09, 21:00
So the Party President (Liberal Democrat) has come to visit our hero two wage leech in the constituency?
When I was going through my appeal after I was told my race is a liability etc etc, I emailed his office. His research officer contacted me with an acknowledgement yet I never heard from him!
Silence is consent?
peter h
Saturday Feb 09, 21:07
if somebody told you your race is a liability, report it to the police.It is a criminal act. Then we'll see to what extent your accusation stands up
Yasmin Zalzala
Saturday Feb 09, 23:37
I did report it to the police. They said there is nothing to report and no case to answer!
peter h
Sunday Feb 10, 00:51
so the police are against you too....
Yasmin Zalzala
Sunday Feb 10, 20:08
Peter H
I did not say that the police are against me. You asked a question and I answered it.
The police do not follow up many crimes as -I am told- they have to balance it due to limited budget.
They said murder is more important.
But as I gather more evidence and my case gets stronger I am hoping they will change their mind
Dave
Sunday Feb 10, 20:49
Yep, the police underfunded by a Labour government and a Tory government before Labour! And Labour aren't even willing to give a decent pay rise to the bobbies on the beat either!
peter h
Sunday Feb 10, 22:30
actually the police take allegations of race crimes very seriously - if there is any evidence
Tim Kinsella
Monday Feb 11, 09:05
Yasmin. Just out of interest, who would you vote for if there was an election tomorrow (aside from yourself)?
Alan
Monday Feb 11, 18:02
Yasmin, how on earth can your race be a liability bearing in mind the huge Asian and Muslim population of Manchester. Surely it's an assett??? Quite rfrankly I don't care what race, colour or background anyones come from, at the end of the day if they talk bollocks then they talk bollocks!!
Yasmin Zalzala
Monday Feb 11, 18:30
Peter H
How do you know the police take allegations of race very seriously?
peter h
Monday Feb 11, 22:49
I've seen it in action
Alan
Tuesday Feb 12, 07:59
Yasmin, I see you chose to ignore that question??
John Holliker
Tuesday Feb 12, 11:14
I think Yasmin would make a very good MP - devoid from reality, convinced they are always right and ignorant of the blatantly obvious.
Alan
Tuesday Feb 12, 12:26
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7239379.stm
Isn't it amazing!! I received a letter the other day advising me that my details, plus the details of all my family had been lost, including NI numbers, passport no, NHS number, address etc as my info was on a database of several million people which was being carried around by some numpty from the MOD in a briefcase... which he subsequently lost. Maybe, instead of spending half a billion pounds on paying these inept idiots off, they should spend the money to ensure that our private details are completely secure!!!!
God.... am I agreeing with a Lib Dem??!!
yasmin zalzala
Tuesday Feb 12, 16:35
Peter H, Your answer has no details
I do not answer irrelevant questions
Also, if you are going to turn this into a yasminzalzala attack blog then please re-name it as such so that others can join!
Alan
Tuesday Feb 12, 17:20
Yasmin, what do you want a blow by blow account!! Manchester Police, as with every other police force in the country takes racial abuse seriously... prove otherwise. What they probably don't take seriously is the rantings of a clearly deluded woman completely devoid of any sense of reality!!
Alan
Tuesday Feb 12, 17:22
Anyway I'm getting bored of having to listen to a clearly bitter woman who should build a bridge and get over it!! What's John been upto recently.... if anything atall! Come on Peter, shoot my scepticism down, I'm sure he's been to lots of grass roots planning meetings or something!!
Martin
Tuesday Feb 12, 19:09
http://www.john-leech.co.uk
www.john-leech.co.uk - A Gross of articles (144 for those who don't know)
Martin
Tuesday Feb 12, 19:12
I would like to know, since the comparison is often made by you Alan, what exactly Keith Bradley did - especially if any of it has been externally recognised...
Alan
Tuesday Feb 12, 19:30
Martin, to be honest I could bleet on and put a bit of spin on it but without looking, which if you would like I'll do, I can't give specific examples! The prob I've got with John is that all he seems to do is council duties, as admirable as they may be, and sign EDM's!! What, if anything, of substance has he done... party politics aside, how has he contributed to the constituency as a whole and how well has he represented Manchester Withington in Parliament... which after all is his job!
Martin
Tuesday Feb 12, 19:55
Off the top of my head...
- Parliamentarian of the Year from Road Safety Charity Brake
- Parliamentary Lung Canver Champion
- Launched a campaign against police cuts in the area. Called and spoke in a debate on Policing in Manchester. It has now been announced the police cuts over previous years are to become increases over the next three
- Helped overturn the council's barmy Marie Louise Garden plans
- Voted against ID cards
- Successfully campaigned against staff cuts at Remploy
- Fought the governments Post Office closures
But i suppose it depends on you point of view whether some of these are good or bad things.
He does speak up for the little guy, parhaps that is why some people like him. But he has also done things of national significance - or so the Charity 'Brake' (and others) think. They choose just one MP for these awards each year - you have to earn them I would guess.
peter h
Tuesday Feb 12, 20:38
you may not like john leech and his politics Alan, but surely you accept he's been an exceptionally hard working MP and councillor? I'm not a Lib Dem, never have been, never will be, don't even know what most of their policies are and wouldn't recognize most of their front bench, but I'll vote for him on the basis of his personal record.
An MP or councillor's job is to represent his constituents' interests and to work on their behalf. He does so very very hard.
Martin, Marie Louise wasnt a victory for John, although he came along, worked for it and helped as usual (unlike Lucy Powell...). It was a victory for bloody minded dogged resistance by locals who refused point blank to be ridden tough shod over by the council. Those locals came from every shade in the political spectrum. In fairness to John, he was the only local politico who put any noticable effort in - as usual - and that is also probably why a lot of people of different political shades will continue to vote for him. I can point on my road alone to a right wing tory, socialists, greens, labour supporters, apathetics who all vote for him. Party activists tend to forget that element of the equation, maybe because it is so inconvenient for them.
Alan
Tuesday Feb 12, 21:08
I don't doubt that he is hard working I guess I just don't agree with what he stands for. I look at the party as opposed to the person, maybe that's wrong? But for me, anyone that can align themselves to the Liberal Democrats and their policies (or lack of) isn't quite right in the head!... again, personal opinion! I also don't see how he can effectively manage 2 jobs. I was in work this morning at 7am and I'm still here now!! I'd expect John to be working the same sort of hours, if not more as an MP and your telling me that he can be an effective Cllr too. Something has got to give and it would seem that it's his role of representing the constituency nationally that has. (Whole post a bit tongue in cheek bearing in mind I agree with the Lib Dems over their stance on the Government paying out half a billion in redundancy packages to pencil pushers!!)
Yasmin Zalzala
Wednesday Feb 13, 13:48
Martin
You left out the most important accomplishments of two wage Leech: That of saving Christie Hospital from closure
It seems to me that all his other achievements pale into insignificance compared to his claim that Christie is under threat of closure and people should vote for him so he can save it!
Labour Supporter
Wednesday Feb 13, 16:42
He lied about Christies. he lied about Southern cemetery. He is ineffective and regarded as a joke by other MP's.
Repetetive I know but this John Leech Watch and that's what I see when i watch him..
Name one thing that has happened in Manchester Withington that he can claim to have made happen because he is our MP.
Alan
Wednesday Feb 13, 17:13
Yasmin, I think you are just bitter and more obvious, very, very, jealous!
peter h
Wednesday Feb 13, 19:35
he didnt lie about christies. he didnt lie about southern cemetery. He is an effective mp & not regarded as a joke by other mps.
name one thing? he kicked labour out.
Alan
Thursday Feb 14, 08:53
Peter, yes he did lie about Christies, he jumped on a bandwagon, did a bit of tacky PR, grasped at newspaper articles and campaigned on the fears of cancer patients! He is a disgrace and further more, he didn't kick Labour out, the Iraq war and other contentious issues kicked Labour out! He was a protest vote, nothing else!
Yasmin Zalzala
Thursday Feb 14, 12:49
In the absence of any denial, threat to sue or even an explanation, the conclusion must be that the Save Christie Hospital camapaign was lie from beginning to end.
Several councilors supported John Leech in this campaign
Shame on them all
Martin
Thursday Feb 14, 15:16
Should MPs go round threatening people?
How come you have not heard John's position on this? You should be as aware as anyone that Labour spreads lies about candidates it fears.
It is part of their strategy. They are using you - and you're going along with it.
Has Labour got ANY ideas for this constituency at all? Or will they resort to just attacking John?
It is interesting though how sometimes your messages make sense Yasmin, and sometimes not. Is there more than one Yasmin?
Martin
Thursday Feb 14, 15:17
What was the lie Alan? Labour keep changing their attack.
And how do you KNOW it is a lie?
It has just become a shorthand attack on John, but without any basis.
peter h
Thursday Feb 14, 22:13
is that yasmin too?
Yasmin Zalzala
Friday Feb 15, 20:53
I repeat
In the absence of any denial, threat to sue or even an explanation, the conclusion must be that the Save Christie Hospital camapaign was lie from beginning to end.
Several councilors supported John Leech in this campaign
Shame on them all
peter h
Saturday Feb 16, 00:57
rubbish. theyve got better things to do than give you free publicity
Alan
Monday Feb 18, 14:43
Martin, I'd be happy to hear John's side, why doesn't he voice it through the SMR. The fact is he has never provided any concrete evidence that there was a threat to Christie's. He used the media to hype it up and played on people's fears. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that this is the only reason he won, it may not have contributed atall. I emailed John alot when he first 'took office' and in amongst the sometimes childish and clearly exasperated emails I received back there was not one shred of evidence to suggest that Christie's was going to close.
peter h
Tuesday Feb 19, 17:28
come on alan. It was in the local press and the doctors were worried about it. that's enough for an activist to get involved and launch pre-emptively against it.
And I personally have seen letters in SMR that have explained that coherently and in detail. Not from John himslef but from others who presumably support him. So you can't say that it hasnt been aired properly because it has.
And for gods sake move on! There's plenty of other , current, things to throw in every politician's face. Referring constantly back to Christies, which is always going to boil down to different peoples' interpretations and biases, simply stops debate being about what's happening now.
Whether it's labour incompetence over Northern Rock, Tory sleaze over dodgy payments to MPs' families, Lib Dem chaos over leadership, whatever. This site seems to be forever fighting old battles and not noticing today's war zones.
Labour Supporter
Tuesday Feb 19, 20:33
He lied about Christies. We won't let him off. He's a liar.
Alan
Wednesday Feb 20, 08:41
Peter, fair comment, agreed! Lets talk instead about how the government can before 100 billion bailing out a bank yet it cant afford adequate training or kit for our troops?
Alan
Wednesday Feb 20, 08:46
Peter, fair comment. Lets talk then about the fact that the government can afford 100 billion to bail out northern rock, yet they cant afford adequate training or equipment for our troops. One thing ill say for the americans, be their policy right or wrong, they look after their troops! Our government could learn some lessons and start showing ours some respect!
Puzzled
Wednesday Feb 20, 10:53
So do you support the war then Alan or just well armed troops? should we bring them home or send them more equipment. What should we cut to do this. Should we not intervene in Northern Rock or what? Your juxtapositions of what we can/should do are nonsense. We have to do lots of different things at once. Politics isn't about simple choices of this or that or more or less. You Lib dems reduce everything to tghe mantra that everybody should have everything they need all the time all at once, now!! Does Leech now support spending more money in Iraq. You people have lost me. You are all over the place.
Yasmin Zalzala
Wednesday Feb 20, 14:46
Message to News/political Editors:
We hear that Lib Dem Leader Nick Clegg is coming to Manchester this Thursday. If true, then he should be asked to explain his position on the Save Christie Hospital campaign mounted by the Manchester Withington Liberal Democrats in the run up to the 2005 General Election to get white man Leech elected.
In the absence of any evidence from Cllr John Leech MP and co, to substantiate the claim that Christie Hospital was under threat of closure, the conclusion must be that the Manchester Liberal Democrat Save Christie Hospital campaign was a lie from beginning to end. And all those councilors who posed in the poster shouting ‘Save Christie Hospital’ were participating in a lie.
The Councilors included Dr David Sandiford who is one of the most senior councilors in Manchester and a former Lord Mayor of this great city.
The Save Christie Hospital claim was a despicable and wicked lie. It played on the fears of vulnerable patients and their families going through a difficult and fearful time. It showed lack of human compassion and no consideration for the suffering of others. It was the act of people with no dignity, principle, ideology or ethics, blind with greed and opportunism. Only winning elections is what matters.
The fact that John Leech was promoted to the front bench and is sitting alongside the Lib Dem Leader Nick Clegg and other senior Lib Dem Party Parliamentarians, means that the national Party, approves the methods deployed to get him elected whether in ethnic cleansing of candidates or in playing tricks on vulnerable people by claiming the hospital offering life saving treatment is threatened with closure. Who knows, they might well be planning to use these techniques in other parts of the country.
Finally, we must not forget that the untruthful Save Christie Hospital claim also played on the fears of a constituency suffering from the let down by the Labour Party over the loss of Withington Hospital as a full district hospital.
Shame on them all.
Dr Yasmin Zalzala
Campaign for Clean Politics
Chris
Wednesday Feb 20, 15:00
"get white man Leech elected"
That is racist.
Have a good look at these links please Dr Zalzala...
http://balkansnet.org/ethnicl.html
http://www.hrw.org/reports/2004/sudan0504/
http://www.slovakia.org/history-magyarization.htm
Just a few examples of ethnic cleansing...I find it sick that you even dare compare what apparently happened to you, to what has actually happened to these people.
I also find it hilarious that ANYONE could take you seriously!
JJ
Wednesday Feb 20, 15:52
It is hard to see that failing to get selected in a selection process constitutes ethnic cleansing in any party. If people chose not to vote for Yasmin, it seems like they were exercising their judgement and from the postings here, that doesn't seem like racism, but very good sense.
Yasmin Zalzala
Wednesday Feb 20, 19:51
Why don't you all use your full names? You are not prepared to stand up and be counted but hiding behind screen names?
JJ
Voters who were told nasty untruthful lies about me (such as my race is a liability; John Leech has a huge majority on the council estates etc)and decided to vote for John Leech after hearing this cannot be described as 'exersizing judgement'.
As I said before, time will tell who is right!
Alan
Thursday Feb 21, 08:58
'puzzled' what a very apt name! Whether i agree with the war or not is irrelevant. My point is that we have troops out there and if they are going to be there then they should be properly armed and able to defend themselves against attack. The way northern rock was handled was a complete farce and as for where do we get the money from, easy, stop handing out dole money to lazy scratters who cant be bothered to get a job! And for the record im not a lib dem!
peter h
Thursday Feb 21, 20:01
Dear me, Alan. You've been accused again of being a lib dem!
Northern Rock is indeed a farce, badly handled from beginning to end. In fairness to the government, one assumes theyve been badly advised, but Darling is obviously out of his depth. Interesting to see he is actually following the path advocated bu Vince Cable of the Lib Dems, who is far & away the Lib Dems' star turn on the front bench.
Mind you, this Clegg bloke is at least making sure he gets heard, unlike Ming Campbell. Might well spice the next election up. He's a fighter.
and for once I agree with you about the troops. they need to be properly equipped
Alan
Sunday Feb 24, 15:23
I don't know why I keep getting accused of being a Lib Dem?? I never have been and never will be, their policies (used in the loosest sense of the term) are a joke.
Darling is also a joke and he should resign... would be good if Gordon Brown did too, infact it would be even better if they called a general election.
What makes me laugh is that if Brown and his cronies hadn't been such impatient back stabbers and allowed Tony Blair to finish this term in office then they would have walked the next election. I'll bet you Blair is having a good laugh at it all!! As it is I think that Labour are going to get wiped out at the next election and the sooner that happens the better for this country!
Confused
Sunday Feb 24, 19:20
so you are a tory then Alan?
Alan
Sunday Feb 24, 20:23
I have always believed in conservatism but always support the party that best fits my views. I think its wrong to be die hard for a particular party and when the party i support no longer supports the majority of my views then i no longer support them. Traitor to some but just plain sensible to me.
Confused
Monday Feb 25, 10:25
so you are a tory then?
Alan
Monday Feb 25, 12:20
Why is it all about labelling people? I believe in the principles of conservatism yes but i vote for whatever party best fits in with my beliefs which under tony blair was labour. I guess if you want label then yep i am! When the choice is between the laughable lib dems and a labour party that has lost its human element and thats answer to everything is how can we squeeze more money out of hard working people i see the only viable alternative as being the conservatives.
confused
Monday Feb 25, 13:24
Thanks you. Now we can put all your sanctimonious crap about Labour in its proper context. ie. that your opinions are those of a supporter of the Conservative Party.
peter h
Monday Feb 25, 17:56
it's you that's talking crap, Confused.
alan's just open minded enough to vote for the party which best represents his views, and Tony Blair's New Labour happened to gel with his views. It did so for a lot of people who would have previously voted Conservative without being hardline core Tories - that was the whole point of New Labour's bloody strategy.
And it worked handsomely.
And now they're letting people like Alan down, and the votes of people like alan will be up for grabs at the next election.
And maybe I'm being a tad naive, but I suspect that describing their views as sanctimonious crap doesn't sound like a very constructive way of getting their votes back.
Your party leaders 10 years ago knew how to attract the voters they needed. If they follow your lead in the next election they'll be lucky to keep their deposits.
Fool.
And, no, I don't share Alan's political views. But he's one of the few people on this site will to debate openly and having the courage to listen and change his mind rather than shoving his head in the sand.
Which is why you and Yasmin can't handle him. If you guys can't stick a neat little label on him and pigeonhole him then you're completely lost for argument and have to resort to insults because you are both politically bankrupt and stuck in your little timewarped ruts.
Confused
Tuesday Feb 26, 11:14
Oh dear me. That got a little bit ranty.
The purpose of this site is to keep an eye on Jophn Leech and his antics . it's not a general discussion forum by the way.
I am entitled to my opinions as well you know.
Fool
It's not just people who agree with you that are allowed to express a view.
I suspect you get wound up because you disagree with me not because I put forward crap.
I don't really care what Alan thinks about the Labour government or what you think. I care what you think about John Leech. This is JOHN LEECH WATCH!!!
Fool
Alan
Tuesday Feb 26, 11:18
Confused lets clear this up once and for all, lets put parties aside for a moment, im a centrist that leans occasionally to the right. For the last 10 years so has labour, only because blair maintained complete control of his party. I believe in individualism and empowering people to better themselves, what i dont believe in is over taxing hard working people to pay for lazy sods who see the welfare system as a steady and continuous income! If that makes me a tory now then so be it!
Confused
Tuesday Feb 26, 13:20
Alan,
I think you'll find that your attitude to making a contribution to society and the need for responisbility for everyone is exactly what is at the heart of the governments workless agenda and attempts to deal with the leagcy of IB left us by the tories. The Tories are merely flailing around trying to find a rock to cling to. But not Northern Rock where they demonstrated their complete lack of any conherent economic policy.
Alan
Tuesday Feb 26, 15:47
I appreciate what your saying but I disagree. The system is made too easy for people to claim benefits when they shouldn't be. Don't tell me that there are no jobs for people because that's bollocks! Go to a recruitment agency and you'll have a job within a week, without a doubt not glamorous but nevertheless an income.
As much as I hate to admit it, I've taken 2 weeks leave from work and now into my second week I'm getting a bit restless and purely by chance turned on the Jeremy Kyle show. I've never seen anything like it in my life, I didn't know people as stupid and brainless could exist, yet they do (unfortunately they are usually from the North!). Whilst most of the conversations were based on "my boyfriend hits me but I'm pregnant with his baby" or "my girlfriend is pregnant but is it mine" this particular discussion was with a 17 year old girl and her boyfriend who between them had 2 kids and neither of them worked. The father/ boyfriend also smokes dope and takes cocaine. When asked by Jeremy how he can afford his drug habit when he's got two kids and a girlfriend to support; the answer that trickled of his tonge was "benefits... innit!!".... I REST MY CASE! I work in excess of 70 hours a week, I pay all my taxes, I don't break the law etc etc and my money is going on lazy b$stards like that!!
I believe that people have choice, they can choose to live in the gutter or they can choose to get out of it. I would help anyone, no matter what race, sex, background etc if they wanted to get out of the gutter, but if they want to stay there then **** them, they shouldn't be getting any of my money while they are there!
This Labour government has gone too nanny and soft on losers and not taking enough care of the people that fuel this economy and it stinks! That's why I won't be voting for Brown or his band of cronies at the next election!
PS blaming the tories after 2-3 years is acceptable, blaming them after nearly 11 years is an excuse!
peter h
Tuesday Feb 26, 18:05
it's a fair point about employment. I fail to understand how we can have so many people unemployed at the same time as we have to draw in so many immigrants to fill jobs needed to be done.
And I can point from personal experience to people claiming unemployment benefit who work routinely for cash and others who claim disability benefit whilst doing the same.
No government ever seems willing to inject sufficient funds to finance proper policing of the system.
At the other end of the spectrum no government is willing to inject the funds to ensure that those who should be paying income tax and VAT do in fact pay it. Or to keep proper control of business expenses. Unfortunately, MPs have demonstrated recently that they're more than happy to fiddle such things themselves.
This country would be a much lower taxed country if inland revenue, customs and excise, and DSS (or whatever theyre called these days) were properly funded and run efficiently.
This isn't a party point. none of them ever do it well.
Alan
Tuesday Feb 26, 23:21
A valid point and another where labelling me as a tory is wrong. I believe that there should be a fourth level of income tax. 40% should be anything over 50k whilst 60% should be on incomes over 150k! Lets give the middle wage earners a break!
Dave
Monday Mar 03, 20:32
Tax is far too complicated in this country.
Interestingly, had a BNP canvasser round my house the other day, moaning about immigration, but if it wasn't for immigration, the Lake District would closedown!
Alan
Tuesday Mar 04, 08:29
The BNP is fundamentally floored, I don't know why they bother! However, I do agree that there should be a tightening up of immigration!
peter h
Tuesday Mar 04, 23:43
I was talking to an old friend who said his wife worked for the BNP. Turned out to be the Banque Nationale de Paris
Dave
Wednesday Mar 05, 09:28
I wonder if Leech will be with Nick Clegg in the commons today with regards to the Lisbon Treaty?
Dave
Thursday Mar 06, 10:00
Well Jaqui Smith will be in the House of Commons today talking about the new proposed plans for the ID card scheme. I am glad that both the Tories and the Lib Dems are still against such proposals!
Alan
Thursday Mar 06, 11:51
They were against not having a referendum on further transition of power to Europe and the creation of new unecessary positions at our tax payers expense.... but look where it got them! Is it me or does anyone else think that the Lib Dems are looking for a potential coalition with the Tories come the next election??
Alan
Thursday Mar 06, 17:50
How did John Boy vote yesterday, it shows he rebelled but in the list of Lib Dem MP's that voted for a referrendum his name was not amongst them?
John Holliker
Friday Mar 07, 00:16
http://www.southmanchesterreporter.co.uk/news/s/1039661_mp_and_students_in_rape_letter_row
So, not the best of weeks then. having defied the party leader you find your crass comments have infuriated student groups and given the local rag a field day.
Alan
Friday Mar 07, 10:58
Oh come on! Hat to stick up for Leech but this woman is spinning! I used to be a student and I used to make a hell of alot of noise coming back to halls drunk! It's a fair comment!
sedgey
Friday Mar 07, 22:17
Oh dear, the boy blunder pisses off the stundets who did so much so get him elected thanks to his 'anit-war' stance.
Then he tunrs against Calamity Clegg (their words not mine) over their tactically inept satnce on the EU.
Not a good week for Leech and he is on his way bless him. Back in McDonalds before he knows it alongside many of the very students he slagged off.
Oh, the irony.
not a drunk as sedgey
Friday Mar 07, 22:46
by the looks of old moat, the students don't read the reporter, just leave them in the gardens.
that ward could do with a clean up.
peter h
Saturday Mar 08, 23:37
funny old world , ain't it? Anybody else remember all the fire and brimstone being dumped on john's head last year on this site for daring to oppose the super-casino?
Remind me, Labour lads, when is the manchester super-casino due to open?
sedgey
Sunday Mar 09, 21:40
Peter, it'll opne about the same time you actually admit you are a die-hard Lib Dem instead of this pathetic pretense that you just a disillusioned Labour voter who happens to love the Boy Blunder.
Alan
Monday Mar 10, 17:29
Come on Peter isn't a Fib Dem! He supported the Labour Party that I never could and when Tony came along and made Labour more right wing than John Major's government ever could be the Party attracted me and left the like of peter out in the cold. Now, however, it's really messed up because neither myself or, dare I say Peter, will be voting for Labour.
sedgey
Monday Mar 10, 22:30
Alan, it took you long enough to admit being a Tory but Peter is still in denial bless him
You would think a world class business leader like Peter could actually make a decision. But like all Fibs we wants it both ways.
Mind you, now Calamity Clegg is threatening to sort Leech it looks like we wonlt even have to bother ousting as his own lot will do it for us.
Alan
Tuesday Mar 11, 13:54
Sorry, not heard that one, how do you mean 'sort Leech'?
John Holliker
Tuesday Mar 11, 15:39
Yes, Leech has crossed his leader and looks as if he is going to pay. Until they change their leader again next month.
Peter - look at the trail. I am one Labour voice that has always consistently opposed the casino idea.
Sedgey - is this politics as you know it? *Out* somebody on a bulletin board as Tory/Lib Dem/Not Labour and then set off on a lap of honour. Laughable.
I'll wager 6 defeats from 7 for Labour in the council elections across Withington come May.
As the man once said: Politicians - they're all a bunch of ....
John Holliker
Tuesday Mar 11, 15:51
..and judging by Leech's website (news) he has done bugger-all for a month!!
Dave
Thursday Mar 13, 10:49
Sedgley, are you a die hard Labour?
John Holliker
Friday Mar 14, 14:31
Is Yasmin on holiday or have the mental health trust got their act together?
Alan
Saturday Mar 15, 10:05
Ha ha ha that made me chuckle
peter h
Monday Mar 17, 18:56
Sorry Sedge, but I'm not a lib dem. I'm a disaffected Labour voter who votes Lib Dem in protest at the current state of Labour. I don't even know what Lib Dem policies are.
Admittedly,I also like and admire John Leech , but that is based on his work rate as a local councillor and latterly as an MP, not on his politics.
Dave
Tuesday Mar 25, 12:38
Now that the Freedom of Information has been granted for MP's expenses, it will be interesting to see how John Leech has spent tax payers money!
Alan
Thursday Mar 27, 13:56
http://www.southmanchesterreporter.co.uk/news/s/1042749_christie_petition_did_exist
I'm sure I could find 60 people who would claim that aliens are going to land and destroy the human race. Will John and the Lib Dems be campaigning outside of the MOD to ensure that the Government plans an adequate response to such a clear and present danger to our country!
Yasmin Zalzala
Sunday Mar 30, 21:23
If the petition does exist, why could we not see it? Also, why where the Lib Dems only aware of it? Or was the MEN aware of it first?
Also, who are the doctors? Why did they need a petition to convey their fears. Could they not attend the Christie Board meetings or the Health Authority board meetings?
If the petition did not claim the hospital is to close, how did the lib dems reach the conclusion that it is in danger of closure?
Labour Supporter
Monday Mar 31, 14:16
If the petition exists in the way John leech says and siad it exists then I look forward to seeing it re-printed in the SMR next week. Yeah!! Right!!
Yasmin Zalzala
Monday Mar 31, 16:03
I am puzzled as to how the reporter could believe and REPORT in headlines the claim by John Leech that he has been vindicated!
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