Posted by Dave on Saturday Aug 25, 12:26
He has even got his picture on page 37 of the Weekend magazine (25th August) of the Guardian. With even talk of a diplomatic incident. Anyone else seen it?
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Martin
Monday Aug 27, 09:51
Tell us more Dave
Dave
Monday Aug 27, 11:30
It's a story about the House of Commons football team!
Tim Kinsella
Monday Aug 27, 14:11
I did see it (http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,,2154121,00.html has the story but not the pics).
I liked the Metaphysical Philosophers'team...
"At this year's match, play was stopped several times for intensive discussions about how to interpret the offside rule, concluding with a distinction between "obvious offside" and "unobvious offside"."
Tim Kinsella
Monday Aug 27, 14:22
P.S. How did Saturday's "Action Day" go LS? I heard that the people carried Lucy Powell through the streets on their shoulders for the transparency she's shown with regards to her political beliefs as well as all the hard work she's done over the past few months.
John Ellis
Tuesday Aug 28, 23:50
Can't see anything about John Leech in the link you put up, Tim - though existentialist footballers are an intriguing novelty. Wonder if existentialist footballers spit at 15 second intervals too ...
So Labour have had an action day. Whole constituency, or just one part?
Yasmin Zalzala
Wednesday Aug 29, 01:37
May be the Guardian would like to do a feature on this extracts from interview with the chair of the constituency.
David Kierman Interview:
DK: We lost badly. 60% of ward is a council estate Lab tactic was push very heavily there. The other boxes we won; boxes gave Lab 1000 votes.
Q: Why did she lose?
DK: Canvassing Ill vote for you not for her colour issue. Heard from other canvassers too. Other wards have all estates which we clearly win. Somehow YZ doesnt have the affinity with them.
Q: The next day?
After count did figures. Saw a majorYZ supporter. Said is it time we found a new candidate. I said could be blip. But suggested a meeting with YZ and members. If we feel shes best candidate keep YZ. Whoever ward chooses, the Local Party will back.
Went to YZ house.
I suggested this meeting, and was thrown out of her house.
Q: Did you suggest she couldnt win Old Moat due to her race/sex?
I think a lot of people have told her, given estate race vote I may have referred to it that day.
I told her PPC selection against 9 councillors would be harder. Shed lost 6 times even with so much effort. So I asked her if sure wants to keep banging head against brick wall. She upsets us but shes a very good politician and would be great asset. I asked are you going to go for PPC ship here (and lose again).
Q: When was this?
A few days after I went round with Bill Fisher to complete the accounts.
Q: Did you discuss this with councillors?
They thought it was end of YZ.
..i.e. Me, Alison Firth, possibly John Leech, Simon Wheale. But all local party concerned about what would happen next. So was YZ going to go for PPC, was she going to run for Old Moat, did she have papers for other seats Devon, Rochdale.
Thought elsewhere better chance of winning if our PPC kept losing in Old Moat.
Please note, I left out some sentences that are untruthful allegations made by the interviewee.
Alan
Wednesday Aug 29, 08:54
Yasmin, can you continue to post on the other thread then those who want to read what you say can and those that don't aren't bombarded with it every time they log on. Either that or set up your own blog/ website....PLEASE!!!
Say your piece Yasmin.
Wednesday Aug 29, 10:08
Seems like the truth hurst. At least your version of it.
Say your piece Yasmin.
Wednesday Aug 29, 10:08
Seems like the truth hurts. At least your version of it.
Alan
Wednesday Aug 29, 17:04
BORING!!!!
Dave
Wednesday Aug 29, 20:26
That's why I started this thread Alan, but it looks like it's spilt onto here too.
Yasmin Zalzala
Thursday Aug 30, 00:16
I thought you wanted to know about John Leech ? Are you only interested in futile debate and photos of football?
The best is yet to come!
Alan
Thursday Aug 30, 07:47
Yasmin, take the hint and use the other thread, or start your own. Anyone that wants to read what you have to say, and respond, can then do so. I would suggest Yasmin, that if we were only interested in futile debate then we would be engaging you.
Say your piece Yasmin.
Thursday Aug 30, 09:44
No-one owns this site. You post where you want.
Dav
Thursday Aug 30, 10:15
Actually, you'll find Thomas Graham owns the site, it didn't just magically appear, and you can't post what you want, it gets moderated!
Thomas
Thursday Aug 30, 10:24
http://www.johnleech.org.uk/home/terms
Comments are moderated, but only if they violate the Terms of Use (see link above). Blog entries are more heavily moderated to ensure they are at least slightly relevant. The overwhelming majority of posts which are deleted are comment spam, and posts which come from real people are usually edited/deleted at the request of John Leech when he is called a liar.
Labour Supporter
Thursday Aug 30, 10:41
But he is a liar?
He lied about The Christie Hospital, he lied about Southern Cemetery. Does he want to come on here and deny it?
He has been called a liar in all but name in the House of Commons by the Deputy Prime Minister. If he feels that he has legal grounds then he should take this redress, not badger Webmasters into censoring their websites. Surely?
Alan
Thursday Aug 30, 12:00
God, it was a worrying day when I agreed with Peter H... I'm even more concerned that I now find myself agreeing with LS!!!
Chris Paul
Thursday Aug 30, 12:13
http://chrispaul-labouroflove.blogspot.com/2007/08/bolton-south-labour-making-history-by.html
As that last strand isn't/wasn't about John Leech's selection and/or what David Kierman seems to think is the alleged racism of the people of Withington which handed him the seat it is a bit silly to try to send Yasmin back to the other strand. It would be more useful to start a specific strand on the charge that pandering to racism played a part in John Leech's selection?
The link is to a story of Labour in Bolton selecting a muslim woman called Yasmin Qureshi. A good choice I think though goodness knows there was resistance to it in that areas too.
My view is that if confronted with such feedback the right thing to do is show LEADERSHIP not go with this MIRRORING nonsense that Lib Dems prefer.
This is why the Lib Dems are so far behind on equality issues across the piece.
John Ellis
Thursday Aug 30, 12:34
Given the number of times JL has been called a liar and generally gets slagged off in here, he can't be complaining very often .. or does TG not acquiesce to every such request?!
And as to being "called a liar in all but name by none other than the deputy prime minister" - the last one, I take it, as the post seems, perhaps understandably in view of recent history, to have slipped into disuse under the new regime - well, criticism from that quarter strikes me as .. well, a little insubstantial?
John Ellis
Thursday Aug 30, 12:38
... especially as, even with the the protection of parliamentary privilege, I gather that Mr P didn't quite summon up the resolve to make the allegation explicit?
Yasmin Zalzala
Thursday Aug 30, 13:49
I have thought about this overnight and have decided to post my blogs on the ethnic cleansing thread that Chris Paul started.
I think that would be more appropriate and relevant to the title.
Apologies for any disruption.
peter h
Thursday Aug 30, 16:52
so there is a god....
Alan
Friday Aug 31, 07:50
Isn't it a bit worrying that the only talking point around JL at the moment is football. Come on Peter/ John/ Dave, what's he done recently??
Labour Supporter
Friday Aug 31, 09:14
He's been busy not apologising for the outrageous hoax he perpetrated about The Chrisite Hospital closing at the last General Election. Apart from that he's probably been churning out hundreds of thousands of boring letters asking people what they think. Do you think he has a single original thought in his head? He does seem to spend all his time asking people what they think. He's not exactly a great leader is he?
Labour Supporter
Friday Aug 31, 09:15
cue the attack dogs.....
Alan
Friday Aug 31, 11:16
LS, in seriousness, whilst I absolutely agree with your point on Christie Hospital is it not time to move on from this. You risk alienating people by banging on about the same thing over and over. Should we not be concentrating on the fact that as MP he has done very little othr than lay football and sign EDM's?? I man he hasn't even bothered to create his own website, just a pointless bolt on to the Manchester Lib Dem site. Is it not clear that as a national politician he is completely inept. Lets focus on what he hasn't done since becoming MP as opposed to the Christie Hoax!
Labour Supporter
Friday Aug 31, 13:07
I have some sympathy with your view. I'll tell you waht. I'll move on from Christies when John Lecch stops putting that picture of Bush and Blair on virtually every piece of paper he puts out. He will never get away from the Chrisite Hoax, nor will the councillor who supported him in that disgusting campaign. You might forgive people who get elected by scaring cancer patients but I can't.
Alan
Friday Aug 31, 14:26
By no means do I condone what happened and I think it's disgusting but you have to move on and start discussing the real issues.... thats where he will fall down!
Labour Supporter
Friday Aug 31, 14:42
Alan, I appreciate what you say and I think Labour in Withington is very much discussing with people the real issues. I'll tell you one thing, the issues that are raised with us on the doorstop are not the nonsense that Leech and his Fib Dem cronies peddle week in week out in their Hocus Pocus leaflets. They are way out of touch. He doesn't know whther he is coming or going and the piss poor rabble he leads are more trouble to him than they are worth.
Alan
Friday Aug 31, 15:32
Agreed, however, he is pushing the leaflets and literature out and that is half the battle. Withington was saturated with it at the last election and just like the Sun newspaper it works in influencing people. Labour should do the same... if it isn't already. I genuinely hope that Lucy Powell wipes the floor with him at the next election, in the absence of a credible Tory to stand.
Labour Supporter
Friday Aug 31, 15:51
Labour is doing the same in terms of literature but more importantly we are doing it in terms of doorstep talking to people. Incidentally whilst I make nod irect allegations there were a number of eyebrows arised as to how Leech managed to put out so much paper and stay within the expenses limit allowed for election expenditure. Certainly experienced camapigners have puzzled over this snowstorm of leaflets and phone calls. The quality of the stuff he is putting out at the moment is embarrasing. He hasn't got the time to do two jobs and write leaflets so his leaflets are full of typos, wrong photo captions, sentences that just cut off in mid sentence. Not to mention the misrepresentation and downright lies that he fills them with.
Alan
Friday Aug 31, 16:26
Thats more of a reflection on his staff than anything else!!
What the...!
Friday Aug 31, 16:41
His constituency staff write his political leaflets. I hope he doesn't claim expenses for them!
peter h
Friday Aug 31, 20:07
one minute you berate JL for constantly finding out the opinions of his constituents then say Labour is consulting with them? Sound of barrels being scraped. Cue the Christies line. Bit sad if that's all you can find after 2 years...
And the Focus leaflets aren't embarrassing, except perhaps embarrassing labour. At least they address local concerns even if they arentg great literature. I don't recall seeing anything similar from labour locally, or seeing or hearing from them on our doorstep, although perhaps you only dare preach to the converted and Didsbury is a no-go area for you?
Call out the attack dogs? You wish, LS. It doesn't even merit waking the poodles.
Tim "Sock Puppet" (nee "Troll") Kinsella
Friday Aug 31, 21:44
http://chrispaul-labouroflove.blogspot.com/2007/08/yasmin-zalzala-asks-about-lib-dem.html
"Apart from that he's probably been churning out hundreds of thousands of boring letters asking people what they think."
P.S. www.john-leech.co.uk?
Yeah, I think the biggest concern with politicians these days is the way they spend all their time listening to people. He's really going to crash and burn if that's his attitude.
Tim "Sock Puppet" (nee "Troll") Kinsella
Friday Aug 31, 21:46
Hmmm not sure how that P.S. managed to jump that far.
Yasmin Zalzala
Friday Aug 31, 23:44
So Peter Holliker you are a John Leech supporter?
Chris Paul
Saturday Sep 01, 12:35
http://chrispaul-labouroflove.blogspot.com/
Your juxtaposition of my URL with something I have never said - Leech's leaflets and letters are fascinating to me after all - is really crass "Tim".
Listening is a great idea. Mirroring is however poor and ultimately unsustainable. Leadership is lacking.
And honesty. Which is why continuing to remind people of Leech's Christie Hoax and other examples of his chronic yet at times also traumatic total honesty by-pass.
>>>>>
Tim "Sock Puppet" (nee "Troll") Kinsella Friday Aug 31, 21:44
http://chrispaul-labouroflove.blogspot.com/2007/08/yasmin-zalzala-asks-about-lib-dem.html
"Apart from that he's probably been churning out hundreds of thousands of boring letters asking people what they think."
If you really are a person why do you only EVER google-up as a defender of Leech's shenanigans?
chris Paul
Saturday Sep 01, 12:37
http://chrispaul-labouroflove.blogspot.com/2007/08/bolton-south-labour-making-history-by.html
PS
After "by-pass" insert: is a good idea.
After "they think" insert New line
Tim "Sock Puppet" (nee "Troll") Kinsella
Saturday Sep 01, 15:41
Sorry Chris! I was trying to help everyone to understand my new name so I put the URL to your post as my website. It wasn't anything to do with my actual post.
You always think the worst of people Chris :( I'm quite proud of my new moniker.
Sorry everyone! Hope we cleared that up.
Anyway, I see Lucy Powell has taken John Leech's lead and is "Listening to [NOT MIRRORING!!] South Manchester" as a leaflet through my door told me the other morning. I also see that "Gordon Brown's Government's priorities reflect [NOT MIRROR!!!] what people in South Manchester want". I never knew you could get such local service from the Prime Minister of Great Britain and Northern Ireland...I shall look forward to it.
"If you really are a person why do you only EVER google-up as a defender of Leech's shenanigans?"
For the same reason all you'll get when you Google "Sedgely Park" is either someone criticising the Lib Dems or a place near Prestwich :)
Tim "Sock Puppet" (nee "Troll") Kinsella
Saturday Sep 01, 15:50
P.S after "I also see that" insert "she wants to ensure that"
Our typing is awful isn't it?
Chris Paul
Saturday Sep 01, 17:20
http://chrispaul-labouroflove.blogspot.com/2007/08/bolton-south-labour-making-history-by.html
Sedgely Park appears to be a nom de guerre used only on this site. Whereas "Tim Kinsella" has now started spilling out on theyworkforyou and as a pesky nuisance on other blogs too.
Still good to have your admission of guilt.
Reminded why doesn't bother with this site much any more ... goes away ...
John Ellis
Saturday Sep 01, 23:02
Departs stage left - with a sniff.
So have you learned your lesson, Tim Kinsella?!
John Ellis
Saturday Sep 01, 23:05
With a sniff, AND tossing his head ...
peter h
Sunday Sep 02, 07:35
"Listening is a great idea. Mirroring is however poor and ultimately unsustainable" - Chris Paul, above.
Bollocks. I want a representative in Parliament, not a teacher. In case you've forgotten, or if Labour ever knew, Parliament is there to represent the people and its wishes. Represent = mirror, albeit intelligently. The reason blair and thatcher before him ultimately lost it was because they forgot that simple basic core value of democracy and began to think they knew better than us
Alan
Sunday Sep 02, 09:56
Come on Peter, they do know better than the majority of us... when the Falklands was invaded, most people in this country couldn't comprehend why we were sending a task force to an island off Scotland!!!???... as Plato alludes to in his works.... leave politics to the intelligent folk!
John Ellis
Sunday Sep 02, 12:35
I think you're both right. Like Peter, I want a representative, not a teacher. But Alan's right in saying that "they" do - or, rather, should - know better than the rest of us, if only because, with considerable resources and advice behind them, they're doing the job full time. And because a fair tranch of the electorate hasn't got the time, expertise or inclination to delve into it all, at least until policies start impingeing negatively on them, or strike them as ineffective, barmy, unjust or malign.
As happened with Thatcher over the poll tax, and with Blair over Iraq. Electors started thinking "hang on, this is just barking - I could do policy better than this ..." And suddenly the "intelligent folk" don't look intelligent enough to be trusted with the politics.
And fortunately we're still enough of a democracy for the elector's instinct to take effect, which is why both Thatcher and Blair passed into history, even while they both passionately continued to believe that they had so much more to give us! Democracy's core value, as Peter says.
One of the reasons - in fact the main reason - why I've pinned my colours to the Lib Dems is that they seem to do responsive politics better than the big two. And one of the reasons I respect John Leech is that I reckon he exemplifies this. Would they carry this on into government if they ever got there? I'm frankly less sure of that, but, having seen what we get from Tory and New Labour, I'm willing to give them a go.
Alan, if we're on Plato, I rather like:
"The state whose prospective rulers come to their duties with least enthusiasm is bound to have the best and most tranquil government, and the state whose rulers are eager to rule the worst." ("The Republic", the Philosopher Ruler, part 7, book 7)
So reluctant politicians are the best! Rules out some of the climbers of the slippery pole that comes to my mind ...
peter h
Sunday Sep 02, 22:47
Alan
If you think the falklands was a triumph, we are on different planets. It was a massive disaster for this country, prioncipally because it kept a faltering margaret thatcher in power by making her a war heroine. Remember her march of triumph through london, with her taking the salute instead of the queen?
And, of course, not to mention the dead , and the expense. All for a poxy little island 12000 miles away which logically should belong to Argentina, if anybody, to begin with.
Leave politics to the intelligent folk? so your not a democrat then? Where is your cutoff IQ point below which people shouldnt get involved in politics, ie the people lose their rights? Ever heard of eugenics?
Alan
Monday Sep 03, 07:41
No I've never heard of Eugenics but I'll look it up! At no point Peter did I say that the Falklands was a triumph I merely pointed out that the majority of people though it was off the coast of Scotland. However, and for whatever reasoning, I believe that we absolutely should have sent the task force, regardless of where it is or how big/ small it was our sovereign terriroty and some one had the tenacity to invade it and hoist their own flag!! The diplomatic route should have ended the second an Argentine soldier set foot on the island. As for loss of life, yes.. regrettable, however I go back to the point that I have always made - the Armed Forces are voluntary and they are there to fight, thats what they did.. all who join know the risks and should, and the majority do, accept it!
John Ellis
Monday Sep 03, 11:09
What about the folk that actually live on the Falkland Islands, Peter? They wanted to stay under the UK - don't they have a right to do that? I'm no Thatcher fan, but, like Alan, I think she was right over the Falklands.
Labour Supporter
Monday Sep 03, 13:24
Thatcher wasn't right about anything!!
Alan
Monday Sep 03, 13:26
In that case presumably Labour was wrong to invade Iraq??? Can't have it both ways!
Labour Supporter
Monday Sep 03, 15:12
Alan - you said
"I believe that we absolutely should have sent the task force, regardless of where it is or how big/ small it was our sovereign terriroty and some one had the tenacity to invade it and hoist their own flag!! "
In that case presumably Labour was right to invade Iraq??? Can't have it both ways!
John Ellis
Monday Sep 03, 16:23
Come on... how do the Falklands compare with Iraq? Since when was Iraq UK territory, and inhabited by English-speaking British Commonwealth citizens who wanted to keep the link with the UK?!
LS, looks like the sun never set on the Empire for you, and Sykes and Picot still live!! Perhaps you've more in common with Mrs T than you think?
Wasn't Thatcher at least right about Galtieri, Costa Mendes, &c.? Mind you, I think she was right about Arthur Scargill as well!
Labour Supporter
Monday Sep 03, 16:46
I was making the point to Alan that just because you opposed Thatcher didn't necessarily mean that you had to oppose the war in Iraq. Just the flawed logic i was pointing out nothing to do with the merits of each case.
John Ellis
Monday Sep 03, 17:39
Well, true enough .. was he doing that? I hadn't read him that way ...
sedgelypark
Monday Sep 03, 21:29
Did any see Chris Paul's weblob which shows our hero JL bottom of the league for so called Fib 'frontbenchers'. Is it worth reminding everyone that in order to cover real frontbenches making tough decisions virtually every Fib MP is called into action. It's not about how good you are rather that you are breathing.
Still with Call Me Dave's lot back in the game down south and the Fibs running at a pathetic 14% then it's fair to see there will be far fewer Fib MPs next time so they will all have to double up. JL will have to make do with his council seat and a payoff.
Let's try again on this thread...will any of the Fibs ar their apologists please try and justify the absolute mess the Fibs in Liverpool are making of the Capital of Culture. Latest disaster is the board wants to disolve itself because it is so crap. Discuss?
Alan
Tuesday Sep 04, 07:25
I absolutely agree that Labour was right LS, I'm not disputing that. But you can't suggest, as you did that Thatcher was wrong to send the Task Force to the Falklands which is what you infer....
"Thatcher wasn't right about anything!! "
whilst at the same time suggesting that Labour was right to send troops to Iraq, Afghanistan.. or indeed anywhere!!
Alan
Tuesday Sep 04, 07:27
Funnily enough LS... Tony Blair used to have regular weekly meetings with Margaret Thatcher. At one meeting Mr Blair was heard to say by Alistair Campbell that Mrs Thatcher was more Labour than him!!!!...... shock horror... have you picked yourself up off the floor yet!!
Labour Supporter
Tuesday Sep 04, 09:46
Blimey shock horror. Yes I've picked myself up off the floor after being knocked over by 15 year old gossip.
Your logic is bollocks by the way.
Alan
Tuesday Sep 04, 10:11
People only tend to show such uneducated aggression when they are wrong... get a grip!
Labour Supporter
Tuesday Sep 04, 11:04
How over sensitive is that. Do you actually meet any real people. They must come as a shock to you with their "agression" and their being wrong all the time.
Oh by the way, your logic is still bollocks.
Alan
Wednesday Sep 05, 09:24
Ok, fair enough, explain to me how my logic is bollocks. As I've mentioned before I'm always happy to hold my hands up if I'm wrong but I need an explaination first!!
Alan
Wednesday Sep 05, 12:12
Oh... you can't.... pathetic!!! Anyway, I'm off to the South Of France for a week, sun, sea, wine... much better than listening to LS talking sh*t... au revoir!
Labour Supporter
Thursday Sep 06, 09:43
....and with a quick personal insult and no sensible comment he was gone!!
peter h
Thursday Sep 06, 21:53
now now girls. I go away for a few days and youre pulling each others' hair out.
Personally I'm still trying to figure out how you could all think the falklands are british. The inhabitants are so "british" that they go and live somewhere just about as far from Britain as is humanly possible, and then expect us to bail them out when the country which actually does adjoin the poxy little place has the temerity to claim it. It's the sort of thing Jonothan Swift used to right about. It was utterly absurd, till 1000 or more people died for it to satisfy Thatcher's imperial delusions, at which point it became murderous tragedy. I, incidentally, was one of those people who genuinely thought the falklands were somewhere off scotland.
peter h
Saturday Sep 08, 17:59
until britain stops trying to be some 3rd rate world policeman , be it falklands, iraq or afghanistan, by they way, we shall comtinue to piss money up against the wall on absurd defence budgets at the expense of far more important domestic issues, and be the target for foreign terrorists intent on teaching USA a lesson by kicking its puppy dog. One would have thought Labour knew that. Blair's predecessors certainly did.
Alan
Tuesday Sep 18, 13:23
Peter, you sound like a broken record!
peter h
Tuesday Sep 18, 19:54
oh really? you just saw this country gripped by financial panic, showing just how fragile the financial structure constructed by gordon brown is. if you check my past postings you'll find I've been on about it since this website began. some broken record.
Alan
Wednesday Sep 19, 14:47
Knew that would provoke a reaction!
Alan
Thursday Sep 20, 17:50
http://www.southmanchesterreporter.co.uk/news/s/232/232797_health_survey_of_70000_residents.html
"How to waste time, effort and money on pointless surveys" by John Leech MP
Waste of time
Friday Sep 21, 12:56
http://www.john-leech.libdems.org.uk/pages/surveys.html
Just tried to do the wonderful survey and guess what - not available!!! Look like Mr Leech doesn't want to know our views. No surprise there then!!!!
peter h
Friday Sep 21, 17:32
I think probably knows your view without asking
0 Comments
Friday Sep 21, 19:34
Waste, your link worked for me.
peter h
Monday Sep 24, 20:36
quite right. The survey DOES work. So I suppose your surname is pretty appropriate Mr Waste of Time. How about changing your name to foot in mouth disease?
Alan
Tuesday Sep 25, 18:18
This site is dying a very slow death... bit like John boy!!
peter h
Tuesday Sep 25, 22:42
more lucy powell. or is she a still-birth?
Tim Kinsella
Wednesday Sep 26, 11:42
Can someone tell me what she's actually done since being selected?
Alan
Wednesday Sep 26, 16:18
When someone can tell us what John Leech has done since being elected??!!
Alan
Thursday Sep 27, 15:15
http://www.southmanchesterreporter.co.uk/news/s/232/232923_leech_and_powell_go_to_war.html
Tim, think this answers your question and is a good start. Pleased to see that Leech has called for a public debate on the issue. Having seen him in the debate before the 2005 election, she'll wipe the floor with him!!! With a bit of look he'll soon be back flipping burgers where he belongs!
Tim Kinsella
Friday Sep 28, 12:22
So you're saying that since being selected, she's been to Bournemouth and slagged off John Leech? Hmmm...hardly a ringing endorsement.
Alan
Friday Sep 28, 13:29
More than John's done in 2 years, other than instigate pointeless surveys and fabricate truths about cancer hospitals!!
peter h
Friday Sep 28, 23:05
actually alan he's been a very active constituency mp, and round here at least he's been supportive of things people are trying to achieve, he's spoken in 60 debates, received replies to 105 written questions, signed 1013 EDMS. You cannot seriously try and portray him as doing nothing. It's untrue, unfair and unworthy of you. He's a bloody hard worker, and you know it. You might not like his politics, but don't try and deny the obvious. It does your cause no good.
Tim Kinsella
Sunday Sep 30, 13:32
"Alan Friday Sep 28, 13:29
More than John's done in 2 years, other than instigate pointeless surveys and fabricate truths about cancer hospitals!!"
Aha! So the claims were true all along! It's just the truths were made of fabric!? Or he put the hospital under threat himself? Or is that phrase an oxymoron?
And he instigated surveys? Is that like inciting a questonnaire? Or is it more like provoking an evaluation?
I'm confused Alan :(
Alan
Sunday Sep 30, 14:35
Ok, so my sentence wasn't very well thought out... lets put it bluntly... he talked crap, jumped on a pconvenient band wagon, spend 5 minutes there, had a few photos and screwed KB with it.
As for you Peter, whoopy do! So he's answered a few questions, written a few letters. Lets pat him on the back and give him in excess of £70k a year for it. In my company, people who earn £70k per year work a dam sight harder than he has!
Martin
Sunday Sep 30, 17:12
What exactly did Keith Bradley do?
He presided over the closing of a hospital he professed to be saving.
Failed to secure Metrolink.
Voted for closing local post offices.
Sent his activists elsewhere because he was complacent.
Didn't write to as many constituents...
Paul Collins
Sunday Sep 30, 20:42
Alan's right. This comes down to how effective/toothless the MP is. Whatever your take, Bradley's legacy includes new schools, health centres, etc. Leech has signed 1013 EDMs. No comparison.
Let's go to the polls. Half the country might vote. Brown'll get in on a slightly increased majority. And it'll all be done nicely in time for John to be able to concentrate again on one job, as a councillor. Where his *talents* are best suited.
John Holliker
Friday Oct 05, 08:38
Have I missed something...an election looms..why so quiet?
0 Comments
Friday Oct 05, 21:51
I miss Yasmin
peter h
Saturday Oct 06, 22:32
actually john an election isnt looming. brown screwed up
Alan
Monday Oct 08, 07:50
The only reason there will not be election is because Gordon Brown has seen his lead in the polls dip substantially; with some polls even showing the Conservatives ahead!! ... There's democracy for you, Gordon Brown style. It won't have done him any favours, thats for sure!!
sedgelypark
Monday Oct 08, 21:31
The recent polls putting the Fibs at 12% are doing the boy wonder either.
The reliaty is the 'third party' are being squeezed by the big two...Fibs who were Tories (the majoirty of their support) are going home as are some former Labs who realise are just a nasty, pointless pressure group.
Now, I'm not suggesting Leech's support is at 12% but his former Tory supporters will desert him for Call Me Dave.
Add former Lab supporters who were sickened by the Christies lies plus the fact Leech is useless and hey ho Leech is gone.
Oh, and Lucy Powell is a dynamic candiadte with a team doing the work on the ground.
So anti-Leech people are quiet because they're out working.
Happy days.
Yasmin Zalzala
Tuesday Oct 09, 10:16
Oh Comment
I am blogging on the ethnic cleansing, race card blog which is a branch of the Chris Paul LoL blog.
See more info there about Lib Dem activities.
John Holliker
Tuesday Oct 09, 23:09
Alan: Yes, what a total Ed Balls up. My understanding was that everything locally was 'go'..until Friday.
Sedgeley: Good point re. 2005 Lib votesr floating back to the Tories...only that won't be the issue in Mcr Withington which is a straight Labour vs Anti-Labour (Leech) vote. Then again, the Tories will probably field a candidate called Louis Powell.
Methinks Withington will come down to another 1000 vote difference either way, but the longer we wait for the poll, the more it suits Leech.
John Holliker
Tuesday Oct 09, 23:16
Then again, having just taken a peek at Leehc's website..am I the only one that finds his constant 'cancer campaigning' a little duplicit given the Christie Hospital fairy tales? Smacks of a blatant and constant attempt to but some distance between him and this shameful episode by coming across as the caring, compassionate MP he isn't. And I don't want touchy-feely 'health surveys' that are merely data collection exercises for his campaing purposes.
Leech Can't win
Wednesday Oct 10, 12:04
The demographis are against him. The longer it is to a general election the more of the people who voted for him in 2005 will have moved out of the area. He can't get away from the Christie hoax and his constant cancer "campaigns" are frankly neauseating.
Louis Powell
Wednesday Oct 10, 23:03
How is 'constant cancer campaigning' distancing himself from the issue? Surely, thats standing right next to the issue.
sedgelypark
Thursday Oct 11, 21:13
John H, electoral calcus has it about 8000 but I agree with you it'll be very close and vicious.
But the more I see of Lucy Powell the more I think she will unseat Leech. She is quite clearly brighter and has far more personality.
Mind you, that isnlt so hard when Leech is clearly thick and has zero charisma. He found his level as a councillor and is way of his depth as an MP.
I don;t agree it is straight Lab - Lib fight as Tories will nbe going home as Call Me dave gets better and that will hit Leech more than Lucy.
Alan
Saturday Oct 13, 10:20
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7042780.stm
Conservatives ahead in some polls... it's no wonder. Labour is now led by an undemocratically appointed cretin and idiots like Darling and Harmen!!! Then they go and take more of the Conservatives sound bites to try and appeal to an ever dwindling fan base!! As for the Lib Dems... John... why do you guys insist on keeping a guy who's clearly washed up!! (nice bloke, don't get me wrong... but definately deluded)!!
peter h
Sunday Oct 14, 07:53
strange none of you christies fanatics are mentioning the correspondence in this week's Reporter about the subject.
Makes uncomfortable reading, does it?
Reminds you of an uncomfortable truth or two , does it?
Explains why Ms Powell won't publicly debate the issue with John, does it?
Reminds you why those of us who've lived round here long enough to distrust Labour over hospital closures after the fate of Withington Hospital trust John Leech and not Labour over Christies, does it?
Because, if it doesn't, it bloody well should.
You tried to use Christies as a desperate last ditch club to beat john with during the last election and it failed then.
And if you try to use it again, you'll fail again. Because the facts are there in black and white from years ago.
And Labour's betrayal of Withington Hospital is there too.
That hospital was part of this community. My 3 kids were born there. One of them died there. We were able to rush our sick to the A+E there. Some of us had our lives saved there.
But you bastards let it get sold off for housing when you could have saved it. A lot of people round here wonder if anybodys' pockets by any chance got lined by it.
Then you whinge on and on and on and on about "trusting" you over Christies. Why should we trust you? You betrayed us.
wild eyed
Sunday Oct 14, 12:44
Peter H - please print your full name and address so that we know where to send the libel writs.
Martin
Sunday Oct 14, 14:52
Someone fails to agree with the Labour line on Christies and you threaten them with writs!
It is well known that the Labour party benefited to the tune of tens of thousands of pounds from property developers.
Actually this was on TV, when Labour got a multithousand pound donation from property developers and SIX weeks later they were chosen to build a Casino in East Manchester.
It makes you proud doesn't it.
And noone even declared an interest.
Truth hurts? So better threaten them quickly!
peter h
Sunday Oct 14, 18:59
precisely what "libel" are you referring to?
And I assume your full name is "Wild Eyed"?
peter h
Monday Oct 15, 00:16
Well, Wild Eyes? WHAT libel?
Alan
Monday Oct 15, 07:43
I don't know much about the closure of Withington hospital however, two wrongs don't make a right. If Peter, it is how you sya it is, it doesn't cancel out the shameless strategy adopted by John Leech in using cancer patients fears as an election tool.
wild eyes
Monday Oct 15, 15:26
elaborate on this and it's a libel.
" A lot of people round here wonder if anybodys' pockets by any chance got lined by it."
wild eyes
Monday Oct 15, 15:26
elaborate on this and it's a libel.
" A lot of people round here wonder if anybodys' pockets by any chance got lined by it."
wild eyes
Monday Oct 15, 15:27
elaborate on this and it's a libel.
" A lot of people round here wonder if anybodys' pockets by any chance got lined by it."
wild eyes
Monday Oct 15, 15:27
sorry about the repeat
John Holliker
Monday Oct 15, 20:39
RIP Ming
Wonder if Leech will back every leadership contender going like he did last time?
john m
Monday Oct 15, 21:02
who cares?they r a joke party anyway
sedgelypark
Monday Oct 15, 21:16
I have only just stopped laughing...Fibs at 11% and now leaderless. They really are a joke.
It puts Labour's so-called problems into perspective.
Leech is a goner...happy, happy days.
sedgelypark
Monday Oct 15, 22:05
Still laughing....watching the news and watching the Fibs implode.
Bring on Tory Boy Clegg or Huhne who won't even hold his seat.
They really are hopeless.
Ho, ho, ho!!!!
peter h
Monday Oct 15, 23:09
I suggest you swat up on law Wild Eyes. Libel is defamation of a named person's character with specific accusation. I didn't name any person nor did I state anything had happened. So which person will sue and for what accusation? Grow up.
wild eyes
Tuesday Oct 16, 10:22
"elaborate on this and it's a libel" is what I said. So go on then elaborate on what you said and it will be a libel as you correctly describe. You made a definite implication that in your view there was eveidence of financial iregularity in the disposal of Withington Hospital site and your implication that "pockets got lined" can only be read as referring to the specific owners of some specific pockets. If you elaborate on who you think the owners of those pockets are without evidence that will stand up in court then that is a libel. If you do not elaborate then you really should stop making unfounded, snide comments about unnamed individuals leaving others to speculate, unfairly, as to who those unnamed individuals might be. Can I suggest that you grow up and stop making cheap references to wrong doing, that you haven't got the bottle to describe in detail, by people you haven't got the bottle to name. Oh and by the way you might want to stop using the phrase "A lot of people round here " as you are unwittingly involving them in your potentially libellous comments. lso I wonder, just out of idle curiosity what you mean by "a lot of people" . Two, four or a hundred? And, how do you know what they think? Have you asked them? And where is "round here"? This kind of vague mud-slinging is typical of the Liberal Democrats and people have seen through them ,which is why they are in single figures in the polls and Leechy boy is crapping himself about backing the right horse in the leadership campaign 'cos last time he backed everyone except the bloke who won it. Not good news if you want the national party to help you out at election time.
tim kinsella
Tuesday Oct 16, 10:41
"The case of the Man with Pockets from somewhere in south Manchester vs. Peter H."
I bet you're terrified of that prospect, aren't you peter?
"Leechy boy is crapping himself..."
SLANDER! LIBEL! SLANDER! LIBEL! SLANDER! LIBEL! ARRRRRRRRGH!
wild eyes
Tuesday Oct 16, 11:01
The level of debate on this site is a constant source of delight. You Lib Dems just spin and use diversions to deflect from the fact that your candidate lied about Christies and your party nationally is in meltdown. But you all know that it won't make any difference here because you have no connection with the national party. You are not a political party you are a franchise operation. You are a collection of maverick individuals who get your campaign materials from Lib Dem central and then paddle your own political canoes depending on the local political circumstances. You are pathetic. Can you find out for us who the Boy Wonder is gonna support. It was a right good laugh last time.
Oh dear, Oh dear
Tuesday Oct 16, 13:03
Simon Ashley the Leader of the Lib Dems in Manchester has come out in favour of Charles Kennedy! In the MEN today (hard copy , not the online edition).
He says
"To lose one leader is unfortunate, to lose two is downright clumsy. I don't think we should have got rid of Charles Kennedy. Presuming he wants the job and is sober who else do we have that has the experience to do the job"
You can't make it up.
Not exactly a ringing endorsement of the depth of talent in the Fib Dems. And not a word about, (or from for that matter), two jobs Leech who has strangely appears to have lost his ability to have an opinion on everything under the sun.
What a hoot!
Alan
Tuesday Oct 16, 13:32
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91211-1288565,00.html
Sky News saying what the majority are thinking.... couldn't have put it better myself.
John Holliker
Tuesday Oct 16, 17:02
Look Labour boys, it's ok crowing at the Lib Dem implosion but your party has hardly covered itself in glory of late, have they? It pains me to type this, but the Tories are currently in the box seat nationally and have the momentum.
The choice for the Libs is whether to lean left or right. And lets face it, they'll dither and say all things to everybody regardless.
The state of politics (the 3 parties), both nationally and locally, is abysmal. Look at places like Wigan where a 4th party has emerged and got momentum, albeit on a local scale. I'm going more green by the week.
peter h
Tuesday Oct 16, 21:20
Listen, Mr Wild Eyes.
First of all, I'm not a Lib Dem. I'm actually a Socialist, for what it's worth. Your allegation that I'm a Lib Dem is actually libellous. BUt let that pass.
Secondly, I did not tacitly accuse any individual. I don't know who the individuals were any way.
Thirdly, I was stating precisely what was being said by people whom I know - overwhelmingly Labour voters by the way - that they wondered if pockets were being lined. And that is the sense that one regularly gets in this area, where property developers routinely get their way rather than the local people. Maybe there is no foundation in such suspicions. I have no idea. But I DO know that people suspect it. Now, if you want to sue me for that, then bloody well sue me. It'll pass an afternoon and I'll enjoy spending the costs award afterwards.
sedgelypark
Tuesday Oct 16, 22:57
Still laughing 24 hours later...this implosion just gets better and better and better.
They really a national joke and a local one.
Is Ashley mad? A drunk - even reformed - as leader...people like Charlie but not as leader.
John, I take your point but at the end of day we are in far better position that the Tories were at the fag end of their term in office. Brown will recover as he a brilliant politician.
In a way I hope the Fibs do gain afew percentage points as that will Call Me Dave and keep us in power.
I may sue Peter for his clearly false claim that he is a socialist. Peter, you make many good points but then make a fool of yourself by claiming to be a socialist when voting for a right wing pressure group like the Fibs. You can't be both although you clearly have become a proper Fib by taking two opposite positions and claim them both as your own.
One thing is for sure this latest implosion spells the end of Leech. Oh, happy days.
wild eyes
Wednesday Oct 17, 10:14
Calling you a lib dem is libellous! You are right. You are not a lib dem. You are an idiot. How describing someone as a Lib Dem as libellous is beyond comprehension. Please call me a member of UKIP I could sue you and retire on the proceeds!!
Just for the record your position now is that it is other people who are implying that some, as yet un-named people, are lining their pockets and that you are merely reporting what they said. Can I point out what you already probably know, which is that repeating a libel is a libel. So if you have specific allegations about individuals you should name them and they will make the decision as to whether they wish to take action against you or not. If you do not have specific allegations, just unfoundeded rumours, I suggest that in the interests of fairness and natural justice that you stop spreading and promulgating these unfounded rumours by placing them in the public domain.
John Holliker
Wednesday Oct 17, 13:24
Sedgeley: Yup, perceptions now and Labour's standing at the next Gen Election will change/fluctuate, and I sense Dave and George will get their fair share of ridicule before too long, especially when the right-wingers start to gob off again.
sedgelypark
Wednesday Oct 17, 22:44
Still laughing...can't stop.
The thrid party is dead and buried.
John H, you;re right Call Me Dave will face a backlash.
But Leech is finished.
peter h
Wednesday Oct 17, 22:50
Go on, Sedge, sue me. It'd liven things up no end. I voted AGAINST Labour, as a protest vote, not FOR Lib Dems, as it happens.
And I will continue to do so, because I like & respect John Leech as an individual, what he does locally and his general approach.
As for you Wild Eyes, I'm quite happy to be called an Idiot. In the Dostoyevskian sense, of course. Thanks for the compliment.
And you should try reading what I actually said, rather than what you wanted me to say.
You did the typical political trick of ignoring the core points about Christies and the lack of trust locally in Labour after the Withington hospital fiasco, and chose instead to pick on and , possibly willfully, misinterpret a minor aside, thus avoiding having to address the meat of the point.
peter h
Wednesday Oct 17, 22:59
Sedgeley, it's impossible to disagree with the fact that Lib Dems have made a balls of the leadership issue.
But be fair. Show me a party that hasnt screwed up like that at some poin? Michael Foot , any one? Ian Duncan Smith? It happens to them all.
Lib Dems' problem is that Charles Kennedy is the only one anyone's ever heard of. They don't have strength in depth.
The fact that Kennedy has/had a drink problem wouldnt put a lot of people, including me, off voting for him, though. I'd sooner have a Charlie Kennedy with a drink problem than a sober non-entity any day. He's got genuine charisma , intellect and depth, which is in short supply on all sides of the house.
Yasmin Zalzala
Thursday Oct 18, 12:43
I am trying to be nutral on the Christie Hospital issue. When the issure first arose, I like many thought there is no smoke without fire.
But since the last GE, I have been trying to establish a link or contact with any one of the 60+ doctors who we are told first highlighted the issue and the Lib Dems 'stood shoulder to shoulder' with them to fight for the hospital.
Has anyone spoke to the doctors? Has anyone seen them? How come we have seen a name or photo or even a letter in the report from any one of them?
If there has been please tell me.
Alan
Friday Oct 19, 15:10
http://www.southmanchesterreporter.co.uk/news/s/1020370_chorlton_versus_didsbury__part_ii
Another reason not to vote Labour... have Cllr's got nothing better to do!!! Didsbury is far better than Chorlton - no competition!
sedgelypark
Saturday Oct 20, 22:19
Alan, Didsbury is an overpriced dump with an uttley crap main street full of lager louts and rubbish cvhain stores.
The bars are crap...the Met is full of student tossers and West Didsbury itself is ok.
Now to business.
Peter, you can't be a socialist of you vote for party who are about to elect a leader - Clegg - who wants to privatise the health service and is Call Me Dave lite. You are a Fib now and that means you support an out of date pressure group on the road to\nowhere.
And as for Foot Labour learnt the lesson and elcetd leaders who you could imagine running the country. Clegg or Huhne...I think not.
Yasmin, the reason you can't find the 60 doctors is that they don't actullay exist becuase everyone knows it Christies was never going to shut. Leech and his chorts simply made it up. Now it is true that the Christies lies weren;t the only reason Leech won - the main reason was Fib lies that they opposed the war in Iraq whilst voting to send more troops out there - but it was enough to give him a small majority.
U had a lucky escape as if had been the candidate you've have been under massive pressure to tell the same of lies. A lucky escape.
Chorlton is far better although more than a little up its own ass.
John Holliker
Monday Oct 22, 17:55
Where is Chorlton?
Back on topic
Tuesday Oct 23, 09:13
has anyone noticed the letter from Boy Wonder in the SMR this week refusing to apologise over his Chrisite Hoax. He is rattled is he not. It's a wild , slack letter and will come back to haunt him.
Yasmin Zalzala
Tuesday Oct 23, 19:36
Yes I have noticed it
But more strangely, I have also noticed that no one is leaping to his defense as they used to in this blog.
What happened to John Ellis and co?
peter h
Tuesday Oct 23, 20:52
I'll leap to john's defence. I'd sooner believe him than Labour on Hospital closures. Simple, really, after what they did to Withington and their PFI nonsense elsewhere
peter h
Tuesday Oct 23, 22:44
Incidentally, there was a coherent , closely argued and persuasive letter in SMR 2 weeks ago in defence of JL over Christies, which nobody here attempted to contradict. Presumably because it WAS coherent and well-argued,and couldn't be tackled by a series of half-witted "ya boo" calls which normally pass for argument here about Christies.
Yasmin Zalzala
Wednesday Oct 24, 00:21
Thanks Peter h for your response
I think we know what you think
Perhaps you could let the councilor MP speak for himself?
Alan
Wednesday Oct 24, 00:46
Peter, I don't know the details surrounding Withington Hospital and therefore I'm not going to dispute what you are saying. However, you use this as an excuse to always back up John Leech. Could it not be the case that in both instances the parties concerned were wrong. I don't believe that we should continue to harp on about Christies and it certainly shouldn't be an issue at the next election but come on!!! Leech was wrong, he was electioneering in a typical Lib Dem fashion and regardless of what Labour did to Withington hospital, he was wrong!!!!!!!
Alan
Wednesday Oct 24, 00:48
p.s. Yasmin, I think that if you want to get back at Mr Leech then the tack you are taking at the moment is the correct one. Channel your efforts into exposing his flaws and his incompetency as an MP as opposed to chasing the race card, you'll get alot further!
Alan
Wednesday Oct 24, 00:51
Peter, on another; completely unrelated note, I'm in the process of setting up my own company with my best mate as a Limited Partnership Agreement and am trying to get as much information as I can from everyone I know who runs their own business. Any chance we could discuss.... by all means tell me to bu**er off but would be really helpful! Cheers
Yasmin Zalzala
Wednesday Oct 24, 01:55
Dear All
Thanks for all your comments.
On the blog, ethnic cleansing Labour of Love, I have been listing details on how John Leech & co were untruthful in giving evidence to the enquiries that were set up by the Liberal Democrats to investigate my complaints of discrimination.
If he was untruthful to his Party's investigations, why should he not be untruthful to the electorate?
And as an elected councilor and a member of parliament, I think this is a public interest issue.
I am sure that there are many electorates who agree with me.
Please note that I did not say that the Christie campaign was a hoax. I am only asking for those doctors who is was claimed started the campaign with their claim that the hospital is to be closed or broken up etc.
Doctors have a duty to be truthful otherwise how can their patients trust them in diagnosis or prescription of drugs?
So it is in their interest to speak up, come foward so that we can all learn from this experience.
John Hacking
Wednesday Oct 24, 10:49
If you go to my blog at www.chorltonparklabour.blogspot.com you can see for yourself what Neil Goodwin the Chief Executive of the Strategic Health Authority said about the doctors so called petition at the time. If you can't bring yourself to go on a Labour blog here it is:
Neil Goodwin, chief executive of the strategic health authority, attacked doctors for scaremongering.
He said: "This is complete stuff and nonsense. There are no firm proposals to move any services.
This is a clinical review and it's not about moving services.
It's speculation on the doctors' part.
The doctors at the Christie have a propensity to run to the media at the drop of a hat. They always get it wrong and have an inability to look at the future with any strategic sense.
"They need to focus on caring for patients. They are unnecessarily frightening the people of Greater Manchester and they should act with considerably more responsibility. "
The review of cancer services is not a secret. We know we will be investing significant extra funding in cancer services over the next five years and the purpose of this latest stage of the review is to pull together the earlier work. "
There is nothing more to say, other than that the outcome will not adversely affect the future role of the Christie as the region's specialist cancer centre."
John Holliker
Wednesday Oct 24, 11:07
Bottom line on Christie's....do we believe John Leech and one, anti-labour consultant (as Peter H does), or do we believe the apolitical chief of the health authority, evening news columnist ray king, SoS for Health..etc etc.
It was a deliberate ploy. A vote winning tactic. But it was two years ago and Labour's fault at the time was to ignore the issue, rather than take it on and discredit it for the fraud it was.
Whenever the election, Leech will repeat this tactic, whatever he decides next threat/scare to be...whatever will bring home the votes.
Just a pity Labour remain AWOL in the constituency. Bring on the Powell vs Leech public debate sooner, rather than later, then we can move on from this repetitive issue.
..then we can move on from this repetitive issue.
Alan
Wednesday Oct 24, 14:31
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/PMClarkson/
There has never been a more sensible petition started on the Downing Street website and already with an excess of 20k signatories!
Yasmin Zalzala
Wednesday Oct 24, 15:35
Dear All
I still like to speak to the christie doctors.
The claim is repeated in last weeks reporter letters page '60 christie hospital doctors'.
peter h
Wednesday Oct 24, 20:35
Alan
Best advice I can give you is to talk to an accountant, stick rigidly to what he tells you, and talk it through with him regularly. In my experience most new businesses that go bust do so because they don't understand the concept of costs and, critically, cashflow. They underestimate their costs, take on more business than they can finance, overtrade and go bust for lack of liquidity. There's no point in earning a million quid which is due into your bank on Friday if you have to pay out half a million on Thursday and you only have £400k bank facility. Other than that, as long as the underlying concept & business plan are even 25% decent, your only regret will be that you didnt do it years ago. If you understand money in the first place, and have the balls to have a go, it really ain't that difficult. And there is nothing quite like being able to dictate your own destiny. Good luck.
Alan
Thursday Oct 25, 08:22
Thanks Peter
Gone Quiet
Tuesday Nov 06, 20:39
it's so quiet here it might be an opportunity to ask what people think about the blatant lie that John Leech told about Christies hospital at the last general election. I'm sure people have views.
or is it irony nowadays
Tuesday Nov 06, 21:35
gone quiet - sarcasm is the lowest form of wit
Gone quiet
Wednesday Nov 07, 10:48
Lying and scaring cancer sufferers is the lowest form of politics
Mark
Wednesday Nov 07, 14:49
Perhaps you wouldn't be as cocky if you gave enough information about yourself that you could be sued.
Intentionally creating a revisionist version of the past for political benefit is beneath contempt.
Labour should have spoke up at the time, but they thought they had it in the bag, and so didn't care about the people whose votes they had already counted in their mind.
Gone quiet
Wednesday Nov 07, 16:46
You threatening to sue me yourself or on behalf of John Leech MP? If anyone wants to take legal action over the Christie Hoax let them get on with it. Don't make idle threats. I'll be as cocky as you like mate if you are serious about this going to court. Bring it on I say. Dind't see your full name in there either mate. Hypocrite. Leech lied about Christies and amount of bullying by his cronies will stop decent people reminding other decent people what a low trick he played.
Gone quiet
Wednesday Nov 07, 16:46
You threatening to sue me yourself or on behalf of John Leech MP? If anyone wants to take legal action over the Christie Hoax let them get on with it. Don't make idle threats. I'll be as cocky as you like mate if you are serious about this going to court. Bring it on I say. Dind't see your full name in there either mate. Hypocrite. Leech lied about Christies and amount of bullying by his cronies will stop decent people reminding other decent people what a low trick he played.
Yasmin Zalzala
Wednesday Nov 07, 17:28
Perhaps folks care to refer to my bloggings on ethnic cleansing lol where I highlight how Cllr John Leech MP & co were untruthful in formal party investigations!
As for 'Mark', are u a councilor by any chance?
Gone quiet
Wednesday Nov 07, 19:23
He won't say. He just expects other to.
Dave
Thursday Nov 08, 10:06
Nothing changed since I was last here (at least a couple of months) Still banging on about a hoax, lie, call it what you want, but no one died from it, it didn't cost the tax payer millions (if not billions) of pounds.
But lets go to WMD in Iraq and the threat that Saddam posed to us in the West. Now, obviously, we know that it wasn't a lie, or a hoax, it is just that we haven't found them yet, but there are out there! And, all those servicemen and woman that have been killed, and the money has all been spent wisely, and the people of Iraq are much safer now, so I guess we should all go back to voting Labour eh?
Yasmin Zalzala
Thursday Nov 08, 11:15
Dave
Are you a councillor by any chance?
Dave
Thursday Nov 08, 12:46
No, I have never been a councillor. Thought about standing as an independent once. Why?
Yasmin Zalzala
Thursday Nov 08, 13:41
Just asking
Why don't you sign with your full name?
Also, is there nothing else to critisize the Labour Government for except the Weapons of Mass destruction fiasco?
Dave Wilson
Thursday Nov 08, 14:29
I've never bothered with my full name, don't see the point. Doesn't help anyone here to know me any better, and I've been coming here since a few months after Thomas started the site.
God, I was a Labour supporter through and through at national level up until Labour's second term under Blair. (Locally, I have not been as loyal - I have voted Lib Dem, Green, Labour and Independent in the past). Labour have screwed up big time on many things - ID Cards; Immigration; Terrorism; WMD; Burma; PFI; ASBO's; Drug Laws; Alcohol strategies; Mental Health Service funding; etc etc.
I am at a loss as to who to support next time around. I quite like my MP (Tim Farron), but his party are in a mess. I'll highly unlikely ever support Tory, the BNP have started to canvass around here, but they will never ever get my vote, that leaves Labour, but they came a poor third last time, and I still haven't forgiven them!
Alan
Thursday Nov 08, 15:48
I don't sign in with my full name and I never will. Yasmin... for God's sake.. 'ethnic cleansing' I think you'll find that that sort of thing happens in Rwanda, not Manchester Withington!!! Get a grip.
As for the Christie's thing, I've said it before and I'll say it again, John Leech fabricated the truth for political gain etc etc but please... lets move on!!! We've covered this, debated it to death and no one ever agrees. Can we not just agree to disagree and move on!... Dave welcome back!
Yasmin Zalzala
Thursday Nov 08, 15:53
Alan,
You are entitled to your opinion but please do not critisize others.
We are entitled to our opinion as well
Dave
Thursday Nov 08, 16:07
Cheers Alan, I don't know why I keep coming back, it's not as if anything new is being debated (I acknowledge that I am just as bad with the WMD, but when Christies is still being bleated on, then I don't see any reason why I shouldn't go back to the reason why I stopped voting for Keith Bradley)
I might as well just come back every six months. Nothing will have changed
Yasmin Zalzala
Thursday Nov 08, 19:02
I am sorry, but I am finding it difficult to believe that Dave lives in Cumbria and used to vote for Keith Bradley and now is defending John Leech etc.
This seems an unlikely story
Alan
Friday Nov 09, 08:58
For God's sake, why is it an unlikely story!!! You criticise me for pointing out what ethnic cleansing means and then proceed to call someone a liar! I think you will find there are many people who used to vote for Keith who now vote for John Leech. I voted Labour at the last election and at the next I will vote Conservative! People can change their minds you know Yasmin. Furthermore, on the point of the 'ethnic cleansing' you have endured in Manchester Withington; perhaps you will think twice about using the phrase again and show some respect for the people that really do endure it like the families in Rwanda who were raped, murdered, beaten and had their homes and villages burnt to the ground!!!! That's ethnic cleansing Yasmin and it pi**es me off to hear you associate the phrase with yourself!!
Dave
Friday Nov 09, 10:18
I have no idea why I am about to justify what I am going to say to Yasmin, but...
I lived on the Merseybank Estate in Chorlton, Manchester, (formaly part of Lancashire), don't know if you know it Yasmin. If you care to read old postings of mine, going back to 2005 onwards, you will know this. You would also know that I moved to Kendal in August 2006. I still post here, because, as I voted for Leech, I feel that I have every right to contribute. That said, I still may contribute after that time, as at the end of the day, I comment on about other politicans, from other areas, eg Cameron, Brown, Huhne, Clegg, so why not Leech.
I have lived in, 7 or 8 different constituencies since I was born. People move in, vote, and then they move out. How hard is that to believe?
I find it worrying, that a "wanna be politican" doesn't believe the electorate! No wonder the electorate has trouble trusting the politicans!
Again, if you read my posts from day one, you would see that I respected Keith Bradley, up until the War on Terror, then because he stood for a party that I didn't like anymore (regardless of his personal position on it all), I decided to vote for a party that I realised that I had more in common with than I did with the Labour party!
Would you like to have any further attack on my personal character?
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Friday Nov 09, 17:57
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Yasmin Zalzala
Friday Nov 09, 20:12
Alan Dave
Why are you both so aggressive? I am just sounding some ideas like you do.
So many lies have been said!
You are entitled to your opinions and I am entitled to mine.
I shall continue blogging as I please!
peter h
Friday Nov 09, 21:45
Here we go again.... Christies. If the labour activists who write on this website can think of nothing other than Christies to attack John Leech with, then Labour is in deep trouble round here. Whatever the rights and wrongs of Christies, it happened years ago. For god's sake, a WEEK is a long time in politics. How on earth do you think you'll make headway against John Leech by bleeting impotently on about something which died a death 3 years ago?
Dave
Saturday Nov 10, 11:18
Yasmin, we are all of course entitled to our opinions. I have never said that you weren't. I was just merely pointing out how and why I have voted for who I have. It was you, who was making out that I was somehow "hard to believe"!
Yasmin Zalzala
Saturday Nov 10, 11:46
The christie Hospital Story is NOT dead.
Cllr John Leech MP himself wrote in the reporter approx 3 weeks ago that he was supporting the 60 christie hospital doctors and that he stood by the story.
Therefore the story is not dead and cllr john leech mp himself is not saying that the campaign was a mistake or a lie etc
Unless you know something I don't?
Yasmin Zalzala
Saturday Nov 10, 11:52
The christie Hospital Story is NOT dead.
Cllr John Leech MP himself wrote in the reporter approx 3 weeks ago that he was supporting the 60 christie hospital doctors and that he stood by the story.
Therefore the story is not dead and cllr john leech mp himself is not saying that the campaign was a mistake or a lie etc
Unless you know something I don't?
Alan
Monday Nov 12, 09:51
BORING!!!!
peter h
Monday Nov 12, 17:33
the christies hospital story might not be dead to you lot, but it IS dead to the electorate. you have to fight today's battles in the real world, not yesterday's.
ggggggggg
Monday Nov 12, 21:27
it's not dead. John Leech referred o it himself only two weeks ago in the South Manchester reporter.
Alan
Tuesday Nov 13, 09:20
For god's sake I'm even sick of Christies now!!! Why don't you talk about why people should vote Labour over Lib Dem instead of hanging onto something that no one is going to be interested in come the next election.!!
peter h
Tuesday Nov 13, 17:41
thank you. alan . my point exactly
Dave
Tuesday Nov 13, 20:36
It's all quiet again here tonight.
Yasmin Zalzala
Wednesday Nov 14, 04:31
Dear All
If you do not like to read about the Christie Hospital issue then just do not read it.
Stop telling the rest of us what to do please.
Alan
Wednesday Nov 14, 08:01
Yasmin, get a grip, get a life and move on!
Dave
Wednesday Nov 14, 09:29
Yasmin, I've not read anything about Christies, other than on here, when the Labour supporters/John Leech haters bang on about it! I have moved on from it, in fact, it registared very low on my area of concern at the last general election, hence why Leech got in, and Labour were kicked out!
Yasmin Zalzala
Thursday Nov 15, 00:28
Dave/Alan
Bully for you.
As I said before don't read things you do not want to read but stop telling the rest of us what to do.
Anyway, why does the Cllr MP speak for himself? I asked him a straight forward question in the Reporter!
Dave
Thursday Nov 15, 07:05
Yasmin, where have I ever stated on this forum what anyone should or should not do? I only come here to give opinion. I don't know why you seem to have it in for me, not that I am bothered.
Alan
Thursday Nov 15, 07:16
Yasmin, as much as I'm not a fan of John Leech; if I thought an elected MP was spending his £70k a year time sifting through the letters pages of the local newspaper in case a bitter and dissilusioned ex member of their party wrote and asked a question, then I'd be a bit dissapointed.
If you want to ask an MP a question, do what the rest of us do, email or write his office??!! Not rocket science.
As for 'not reading things you don't want to read'.... the problem with that is that until I read it I don't know whether I like it or not and if I don't like it then I have to post a response... human nature I guess and a bit Catch-22!!
yasmin zalzala
Thursday Nov 15, 17:41
Dave
As you claim to be living in Cumbria now, I see no reason why the Christie Hospital issue should be of any relevance to you. In fact I am puzzled by your continued interest in the defence of John Leech. But that is up to you.
As for Alan, for someone who claims not to be a John Leech fan, you spend an awful long time defending him. If you do not like this column, just move on to something else.
I find it very interesting that none of the Mancheser Lib Dem councilors are defending him. Or even members of the Lib Dems etc
I think that is very telling
Dave
Thursday Nov 15, 19:10
Yasmin, you seem to know very little about the NHS and the way it works (I have worked for the NHS for several year, before you ask). I live in part of the North West Strategic Health Authority, and therefore, the local centre of excellence for cancer treatment is.... guess. Yup, Christie Hospital, that is why it is off relevance. That said, it wasn't an issue for me, when I voted Leech. By the way, I do not defend Leech, I merely support him through a protest at the Labour party! I do not think he is very effective, however, he was better than the alternative.
yasmin zalzala
Thursday Nov 15, 19:52
Dave
You are wrong I fear. I know a lot about the NHS.
Anyway, please refer to my earlier comments for a reply to your latest profferings.
I still think it is odd that no paid up liberal democrat is prepared to stand up and defent John Leech Christie or otherwise in public.
Dave
Thursday Nov 15, 20:13
Yasmin, look around you on this forum. It is just me, you, Alan, Peter, and occassionally a few others on here. It's hardly the worlds greatest forum, is it? (No offence meant Thomas)
I don't care about Lib Dems supporting one another, I just like to have a laugh, and a debate on here.
Alan
Friday Nov 16, 17:09
And I enjoy winding Peter up every now and then! As for defending John Leech, perhaps you should start referring to previous comments!!
Alan
Friday Nov 16, 17:13
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Yasmin Zalzala
Saturday Nov 17, 03:02
I still think it is odd that no paid up liberal democrat is prepared to stand up and defent John Leech Christie or otherwise in public.
Dave
Saturday Nov 17, 07:51
Okay.
Labour Supporter
Saturday Nov 17, 13:53
Anyone seen the Facebook story in the SMR. From 'two jobs' Leech to 'two mates' Leech. He's a shambles he really is.Oh, and he lied about Christies.
Dave
Saturday Nov 17, 17:54
Welcome back Labour Supporter, missed your comments.
Yasmin, will you be asking for Labour Supporter's full name, and details of who is voted for, etc? Or did you just single me out for some reason?
Yasmin Zalzala
Saturday Nov 17, 19:10
The Labour Supporter has declared a straight forward support for Labour.
You on the other hand is Dave who lives in Cumbria, does not support the Lib Dems yet has been commenting and helping the defense of John Leech when his friends and colleagues in Withington let alone Manchester are staying curiously quiet.
Don't you agree that your situation is a little bit odd?
Labour Supporter
Saturday Nov 17, 20:02
Did I mention that two mates Leech lied about the Christie hospital
peter h
Saturday Nov 17, 23:48
yasmin seems to be very good at saying people should not comment un less they meet criteria which meet her approval. A pretty pathetic way to argue a case. Me you threaten to sue; dave you tell to shut up because he no longer lives round here. Alan you tell what he should and should not read and what he can and cannot comment on. Hardly surprisng lib dems wanted shot of you if that's how you carry yourself. If you can't take freedom of speech, then maybe it's you that's in the wrong forum.
peter h
Saturday Nov 17, 23:52
I always suspected that Labour Supporter was a lib dem agent provocateur. Now I'm sure he is. He's egging the asses on to get them to bray about Christies yet again and lose yet more credibility with the voters. You sly bugger. You're john leech in disguise, aren't you!
Yasmin Zalzala
Sunday Nov 18, 01:35
I am going to return to the main point: Why is no paid up liberal democrat prepared to stand up and defent John Leech Christie Hospital issue in public on this forum.
Especially the many Lib Dem Councilors who were in the photographs with him.
And could someone tell us how is supposed to have resigned from the facebook?
Was it anything similar to the resignation of Lord Keith Bradley from the governing body of Parrs Wood School?
Dave
Sunday Nov 18, 07:55
Don't you love our democracy. The electorate vote out Keith Bradley fair and square, so what do Labour do, get him into Parliment via the House of Lords! Great democracy this!
As for your repetitive question Yasmin, I don't know any Lib Dem party members, you need to find a forum they write on and ask them there, as no one here can answer that question.
Let me put you straight on my position. I liked Leech as a councillor, he was hard working, and his party campaign on a lot of issues that I like. I supported him at the general election for two reason A) he seemed okay as a councillor B) I wanted Labour out as a protest against the Iraq war
As it stands, I don't think he is very effective as an MP, again, if you cared to read my posts, you will know this already! That said, if I was still in Chortlon, I would still not vote Labour, and as no one other than Lib Dems have a chance, I would likely to vote Leech just to keep Labour out!
Dave
Sunday Nov 18, 08:26
Peter, I think you have Labour "Leech" Supporter sussed! Well done, you're like Columbo!
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Alan
Sunday Nov 18, 16:50
Yasmin, who cares about whether or not there are any Lib Dems prepared to stand up for Leech or not??!! What's your point!! Can't you go and create your own blog instead of hijacking this one!! You're boring the hell out of me!! Did the fact that you barely received any votes as an independent not suggest to you that you are best out of politics... the way you rant on clearly shows to me that you are someone who should never be permitted to hold office; you have nothing coherent or sensible to say and you almost make John Leech look good!!
Yasmin Zalzala
Monday Nov 19, 00:46
I am going to return to the main point: Why is no paid up liberal democrat prepared to stand up and defent John Leech Christie Hospital issue in public on this forum.
Especially the many Lib Dem Councilors who were in the photographs with him.
And could someone tell us how John Leech is supposed to have resigned from facebook?
Was it anything similar to the resignation of Lord Keith Bradley from the governing body of Parrs Wood School?
Dave
Monday Nov 19, 08:32
It is obvious that no one here can answer you question Yasmin, as someone would have done so by now. Why don't you start a new thread with the question? See how long (if ever) it takes before someone gives you the answer that you are looking for? Otherwise, move on, so Peter, Alan and myself can have our usual coversations!
Alan
Monday Nov 19, 08:47
Resigned from 'Facebook'? What on Earth are you on about now!! Yasmin, you can 'return' to the 'main point' as many times as you like but no one has got an answer for you and I'm pretty sure that no one cares! Furthermore, what makes it the 'main point'; it certainly isn't for me. The main point for me is why a woman, kicked out of the Lib Dems for being bad at their job (which is laughable in itself)is spending her time annoying people on a blog site with pointless nonsense! Please go away!!
Yasmin Zalzala
Monday Nov 19, 09:23
Dave Alan
What is stopping you having your normal conversation?
Your comments are getting nasty and personal.
I must be very effective
I shall keep up the good work!
You move to another thread or blog if you want to.
Free Speech
Monday Nov 19, 10:48
Yasmin, don't be intimidated by these Lib Dem bully's. They hide in these blogs an attack anyone who disagrees with them and their shit MP. You are as entitled to have your say as anyone. Perhaps it would be helpful though if you stated your topic/concern again so that people know what